http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Logical%20Fallacies.htm

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

awwwwwwwwwww Miguel...c'mon



not such a cheap shot .....you can do better


Davinci is not any different than your bible authors.......painting pictures that work for some but not for others...


it's the big picture that matters not the spelling or even the vocabulary...

look outside the attachment to details and realize that no matter WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG IS NOT THE POINT!!!

our lives and futures and our children's safty are at stake

What is a zeigot? What is your opinion?

Fans of Irony, submitted for your approval, another part of that same website:

"Does Jack Chick hate Catholics?

Quite the opposite. In the mid-1970's, when he first began to understand what Roman Catholicism really teaches, he knew it was unscriptural. He also knew that to speak out against it would be unpopular and hurt his publishing company.

After much prayer, he made the decision that, no matter what it cost him personally, he would publish the truth that Roman Catholicism is not Christian. He did it because he loves Catholics and wants them to be saved through faith in Jesus, not trusting in religious liturgy and sacraments. He paid a price for that decision in many ways, as priests and nuns entered Christian bookstores screaming and making a scene, demanding that the store owner not stock Chick tracts. Some "Christian" media have even refused to accept advertising from Chick Publications, fearing any "controversy" that might hurt their cash flow.

But God has been faithful (as He always is) and has protected Chick Publications over the years. Jack Chick has made it clear that if he had it to do over again, he wouldn't change a thing. The letters from so many Catholics who have read Chick's anti-Catholic material and have gotten saved carry one theme: "Thank you for loving us enough to tell us the truth!" Those precious people make it all worthwhile."

Still think Mr. Chick is a swell guy with uncommon insight, Miguel?

-Kerry O.

Alex:
I understand I agree with whatever is stated in that video after rhe first 35 minutes.
before that i find it absolutely offensive.
I do not care what people believe. I have friends who hate what I love (for instance you). I love the catholic church u r not a big fan of it (to say the less), but I still love you because you have a good heart.
However, I won't back down when somebody openly attack what i believe with a series od nonsenses.
I'm not saying the person who posted that thread intent any wrong, but the person who put that nonsensical video (at least the first 35 minutes) together.
Therefore, I stand firm in my position because I know my church from inside. Not what the media is selling you.

miguel

I still do Mr. KerryO.
This is another issue in which you and me will never agree.
As we didn't when we talked abput my homeboys.
I would like to take u to my country, and make u see what my church does.
I've beem active in volunteering in my church since I'm 11 after my first communion
for 14 years before coming to this country, so i know my church from inside.
no just what the media is selling to you.

Miguel

Miguel,

Once upon a time I myself was married to a Catholic (long story, less-than-happy ending), so I'm aware of the many good things Mother Church does as well as the dogma.

In re. Jack Chick, he's really toned it down a few notches when it comes to attacking the Catholic Church. A few Google searches on "Jack Chick Catholocism" might convince you just how extremist this guy really is, and how his screed on Islam is just a different side of the same coin.

On the other hand, for a few laffs, Google up "Antlers of the Damned." :) Chick had been unrelentingly parodied on the Internet for his extremist views about 10 years ago, and some of that material is still out there.

I just wish more people would, as a saying popularized by the 'net says, "Do God's work, not his job."

-Kerry O.

Did this post have anything to say at all? I didn't go to the link so I'm not sure there was a topic. Usually I am interested in what people have to say even if I might not agree, but directing me to arcane sites around the web won't work for me. I'm unlikely to just go off clicking around other's links most of the time, although I take the chance sometime. So if you have something to say, would you mind just saying it?

what I had to say is already said.

Philospher writes:

" Did this post have anything to say at all? I didn't go to the link so I'm not sure there was a topic. Usually I am interested in what people have to say even if I might not agree, but directing me to arcane sites around the web won't work for me. I'm unlikely to just go off clicking around other's links most of the time, although I take the chance sometime. So if you have something to say, would you mind just saying it? "


Since you haven't quoted anyone or directed a reply at anyone in particular, it's nearly impossible to tell with whom you're so upset. For my part, boiled down to its essence, the zeitgeist of the today seems to me to give zealots and extremists wide latitude while trying to silence the moderates with coercive techniques such as questioning their religion or lack thereof and/or their patriotism.

-Kerry O.

I'm afraid my view toward world events is very limited...

...Basically if it doesn't effect me immediately, I don't care too much. Really these last 7 years or so have been a blast for me!

"They came first for the Communists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,and by that time no one was left to speak up."

-Pastor Martin Neimoller

Thank you KerryO

It's pretty obvious that I'm a catholic, and I'm upset for the way that my religion and beliefs were treated in the first 35 minutes of that video.
after that it becomes very interesting and challenging

miguel

Art Gurl,

I've always thought there were many such ghosts in the History Machine whose essence remains with us to whisper cautionary tales to us if we can but listen.

Who could have known what a handful of men's commandeering of a Munich Beer Garden in November of 1923 could have eventually led to, of how it reverberated through history to touch us and shape events in our world, even today?

Sometimes, when it seems to us that our own voice has no potential, I think we need to not discount the Butterfly Effect and the possibility of one single voice derailing such things as the Beer Hall Putsch.

-Kerry O.

Kerry O,

I agree and in the spirit of the Mother Theresa quote


If you think and reason and question the status quo, people may ridicule you, try to discredit you, try to instill fear in you, or label you a troublemaker... THINK-REASON-QUESTION ANYWAY


Individual voices...... we don't need everyone to hear us ... we just need someone to. Enough 'someones' is a whole chorus.

Can you hear the song? Soft as a butterfly

Art Gurl,

Having spent too many years watching even the most cleverly designed apparati suffer a smoldering death because of some overlooked detail, I tend to do that, even when I feel like I'm being a Cassandra.

Or, sometimes, like Arthur Dent's mother from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

ARTHUR DENT: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm stuck in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.

FORD PREFECT: Why? What did she tell you?

ARTHUR: I don't know; I didn't listen.

:)


-Kerry O.