Push the people too far and they Revolt, simple as that. The citizens always have the ultimate power over a nation, they are after all the life-blood of the country.

I didnt walk to the polls to vote. I RAN. I voted for bush and proud of that.

Random - thanks for the covering my back on the magic bullet, and you know you are correct - know why?

In your next post you show no concern over the law I'm rebuking in my opening topic. Yet you need to be concerned. Do you know what it would mean to be caught protesting. First, you may be right that nothing, at least on the surface, is happening. But they don't alway arrest or detain suspected terrorists - do they?
But they will have the right to secretly listen to your conversations, monitor your banking, all your comings and goings and all you have contact with. And they can also request local law enforcement agencies to comply with special requests, virtually amounting to harassment, but they won't get the blame for that one, the locals will at some point. And your house, your car, your office, will not require anything more than "their" suspicion that you are a terrorist, in order to enter and reak havoc and interrogate.

All because one spoke out against an action that this President has taken.

You are right, I should not have made the comment, but it would not surprise me to find some upstart CIA agent looking for a foot up, reviewing dating forum sites for such fodder.

At this point I don't think it matters who voted for him. What matters is that we all have our eyes open to see how much power we actually lay into the hands of our President. That we see, how important it is to look at ALL potential candidates and most of all, we need to understand where and how these politicians who get nominated to run for high office, got that nomination. Did you have a say, in your parties process or are you just going to cast your vote when the time comes?

Now can we all see more clearly, how we got stuck voting between Bush and Kerry?

On another point - As a people we must have the ability, somehow, of removing a president from office and a VP as well if they seem to be supporting each others agenda. The impeachment process, has clearly been seen to be lacking, when it comes to meeting the needs of the US in a timely fashion.

This gets scarier and scarier

Redy a teen girl on Myspace made a similar remark and was interrogated and questioned.scary stuff...

he White House was halfway to its goal of winning expanded powers to eavesdrop on suspected foreign terrorists.

Senate Democrats reluctantly agreed to passing a bill Friday night to update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The House was expected to consider it Saturday after rejecting a Democratic alternative the night before.

The high-stakes showdown over national security hinged largely on how early a special court will review the government's surveillance of foreigners' overseas phone calls and Internet messages without warrants.

President Bush has demanded that Congress give him the expanded authority before leaving for vacation this weekend.

The White House applauded the Senate vote and urged the House to quickly follow suit.

The bill "will give our intelligence professionals the essential tools they need to protect our nation," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. "It is urgent that this legislation become law as quickly as possible."

The Senate-approved plan, largely crafted by the White House, was barely pushed through after Bush promised to veto a stricter proposal that would have required a court review to begin within 10 days. It gives Bush the expanded eavesdropping authority for six months.

Senate Republicans, aided by Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, said the update to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, would at least temporarily close gaps in the nation's security system.

"Al-Qaida is not going on vacation this month," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. "And we can't either until we know we've done our duty to the American people."

In the House, Democrats lost an effort to push a proposal that called for stricter court oversight of the way the government would ensure its spying would not target Americans.

"We can have security and our civil liberties," said Rep. John Tierney, D-Mass.

Current law requires court review of government surveillance of suspected terrorists in the United States. It does not specifically address the government's ability to intercept messages believed to come from foreigners overseas.

The Bush administration began pressing for changes to the law after a recent ruling by the special FISA court that barred the government from eavesdropping on foreign suspects whose messages were being routed through U.S. communications carriers, including Internet sites.

Democrats agreed the law should not restrict U.S. spies from tapping in on foreign suspects. However, they initially demanded that the FISA court review the eavesdropping process before it begins to make sure that Americans aren't targeted.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., angrily chastised his colleagues for bending to the administration's will.

"The day we start deferring to someone who's not a member of this body ... is a sad day for the U.S. Senate," Feingold said.




what about this...could someone explain what new powers this would bestow?

Hi Cute, I'm tired, was just going to bed when I read your post. Through the haze of my state, it sounds to me, like this.

Let's say someone saw my previous post, about the magic bullet. Then let's say I was listed as a terrorist suspect. Now I am treated by 'authorities' in accordance with the P.Act. I do get international email, I also send it. I now have two counts of suspicion against me. Now they contact my local law enforcement. Request survailence. A police official can watch me pull out of my driveway, go a few miles over the speed limit, stop me and I have no rights, as I am now considered a terrorist under th P. Act. I can be searched, my home, office, bank records, computer confiscated. I can be detained without recourse, I can not contact anyone, I simply disappear. For how long? Would I become a missing person?

Also, anyone receiving emails from a foreign source, can be considered targets. This allows a corp or group or company or person not in good standing with this current political regime,
be caught conducting foreign affairs and there will be nothing sacred against the policy that this regime has set forth.


Sort of reminds of what I read tonight in another topic, regarding Cuba? Only they were discussing Cuba, I'm discussing the USA.

ArtGurl is right - scarier and scarier.

Our rights have been severely compromised by this governing body.

wow .thanks redy.i too e-mail people in other countries and express some opinions.thanx for explaining.

OMG the conspiracy theory de jour. Thought we might make it a day without one but I was wrong

mine isnt a conspiracy theory.it's an actual bill.

i can change all that vote Alanna for president today toll free

well i hate ta say i told ya so....

How anyone could call John Kerry a coward is beyond my comprehension. The man served on a river gunboat during Vietnam.
Bush is the coward, using his daddy's money and influence to get in the Reserves. Then he didn't even show up to the meetings.

Too afraid to do what he asks others to do so freely.
It scares the hell out of me to think some people vote.
Especially these young kids who are so eager to support Bush's policies, and too scared to join the military themselves.

Anyway, I saw in the first days of the war, where Bush was trying to get permission to arrest protesters and charge them with treason, Redy. It didn't work though, so he resorted to blackballing celebrities like The Dixie Chicks and a few others.
I haven't heard of anything since, and Ive seen a lot of protesters. If he is going to then he better build more jails and get his self a Pope mobile.

I see there are still a few people in this country that would gladly drop to their knees and blow the C-n-C. Their commander and chief, not mine, whether the Congress has impeached him or not, I have in my mind and soul.
To the Bushies: How does it feel to know you are a minority of blind sheep? Your boy sucks, and like Redy, I await the day for someone to shoot the SOB! He is the worst President I have ever seen, hands down. To sit here an announce that you still support him is equivalent to wearing a sign that says, HEY, IM not too bright, Kick me so I'll wake up!laugh:

yep we are sadly venturing from 1)republic to 2)democracy and finally now 3) communist America


soon the jack booted thugs will be kicking down the once free doors of society.

it's not communist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's a fascist regime you all live in over there!!!!

Thank you Alex, you took the words right out of my mouth.

aftewr reading these forums ya have to see how stupid the american public is.... the fact that most of you have no decent education is blantly obvious...


your gov has deliberately kept you sick and stupid obese and ill educated ...

it's priorities are clear and they are not your health and well being , nor your freedom

Gardenforge is right. I found the bill. It does not say protest.
IT SAYS<:

President Bush enacted into US law an ‘Executive Order’ on July 17th titled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq", and which says:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004."

President Bush enacted into US law an ‘Executive Order’ on July 17th titled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq", and which says:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004."

Sorry for the repeat. The rest of it can be found at:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html