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Edited by
TJN
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Tue 09/04/12 05:17 PM
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Are you better of than 4 years ago?
That seems to be the looming question around election time. As a whole the country doesn't seem to be. Jan 2009 - Today Unemployment 7% - 8% Median income $54,000 - $50,000 Gas prices $1.80 - $3.80 National debt $10T - $16T |
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Nope!
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Tue 09/04/12 08:00 PM
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Nope, no one is Obama has screwed this country up the butt and didn't even lube it up first or even give us a reach around.
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Are you better of than 4 years ago? That seems to be the looming question around election time. As a whole the country doesn't seem to be. Jan 2009 - Today Unemployment 7% - 8% Median income $54,000 - $50,000 Gas prices $1.80 - $3.80 National debt $10T - $16T some are , some arent, some are the same like with any other president he took office on 01/20/2008 , so its not completely accurate to start with january number as it was almost over the february rate was 8.3 and we lost 681000 jobs today the rate is once again 8.3 but we are adding jobs |
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I said nothing about the president.
Like you say one man doesn't control everything. So if we go by Feb to start. It's the same as it was. I'm sure things aren't the same or better for those in that 8%. Now if we've been adding jobs why hasn't the number lowered? How much more time do we need before there are actual improvements? Is it fair to say the policies enacted during this time have been keeping things from getting better faster? Nothing to say about income levels, gas, or the debt? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 09/05/12 09:09 AM
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I said nothing about the president. Like you say one man doesn't control everything. So if we go by Feb to start. It's the same as it was. I'm sure things aren't the same or better for those in that 8%. Now if we've been adding jobs why hasn't the number lowered? How much more time do we need before there are actual improvements? Is it fair to say the policies enacted during this time have been keeping things from getting better faster? Nothing to say about income levels, gas, or the debt? I dont know how accurate the income level source is and its a small enough difference to be fairly irrelevant in my opinion gas prices are tricky and not strictly political , but they have been fluctuating for YEARS and just started to stablilize somewhat enough for hope that they will decrease slightly once more between september of 2007 and september of 2008 gas fluctuated from 2.86 to 3.62 (80cents) between last september and this they fluctuated between 3.62 and 3.87 (20 cents) its also rarely mentioned that the gas price when he took office was a very temporary DIP, (from 3.87 in november to 1.87 two months later) the national debt has also been growing for several administrations if we are not adding jobs as quickly as people give up on looking for jobs, that employment rate is not going to drop significantly (if at all) http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Wed 09/05/12 09:24 AM
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more.
He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. |
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Edited by
TJN
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Wed 09/05/12 09:53 AM
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I said nothing about the president. Like you say one man doesn't control everything. So if we go by Feb to start. It's the same as it was. I'm sure things aren't the same or better for those in that 8%. Now if we've been adding jobs why hasn't the number lowered? How much more time do we need before there are actual improvements? Is it fair to say the policies enacted during this time have been keeping things from getting better faster? Nothing to say about income levels, gas, or the debt? I dont know how accurate the income level source is and its a small enough difference to be fairly irrelevant in my opinion &4,000 a year to a middle class family is irrelevant? WOW gas prices are tricky and not strictly political , but they have been fluctuating for YEARS and just started to stablilize somewhat enough for hope that they will decrease slightly once more between september of 2007 and september of 2008 gas fluctuated from 2.86 to 3.62 (80cents) between last september and this they fluctuated between 3.62 and 3.87 (20 cents) its also rarely mentioned that the gas price when he took office was a very temporary DIP, (from 3.87 in november to 1.87 two months later) If congress would let us drill for our own resources it would be lower. I know it would take years for it to make a difference. Only they've even using that excuse for years. You have to start sometime right? the national debt has also been growing for several administrations It's grown under them all. Just not as fast as under this admin. if we are not adding jobs as quickly as people give up on looking for jobs, that employment rate is not going to drop significantly (if at all) So then what does that say about the jobs created? That they aren't worth getting off the go ernment dole. Why work when the government will go e me almost as much for doing nothing. http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 09/05/12 10:15 AM
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more. He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. its also true that we are spending LESS under Obama so, the truth of how the debt has grown must lie somewhere in the middle of past and present policies,,,, after all DEBT is accumulated over time,,, |
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I said nothing about the president. Like you say one man doesn't control everything. So if we go by Feb to start. It's the same as it was. I'm sure things aren't the same or better for those in that 8%. Now if we've been adding jobs why hasn't the number lowered? How much more time do we need before there are actual improvements? Is it fair to say the policies enacted during this time have been keeping things from getting better faster? Nothing to say about income levels, gas, or the debt? I dont know how accurate the income level source is and its a small enough difference to be fairly irrelevant in my opinion &4,000 a year to a middle class family is irrelevant? WOW gas prices are tricky and not strictly political , but they have been fluctuating for YEARS and just started to stablilize somewhat enough for hope that they will decrease slightly once more between september of 2007 and september of 2008 gas fluctuated from 2.86 to 3.62 (80cents) between last september and this they fluctuated between 3.62 and 3.87 (20 cents) its also rarely mentioned that the gas price when he took office was a very temporary DIP, (from 3.87 in november to 1.87 two months later) If congress would let us drill for our own resources it would be lower. I know it would take years for it to make a difference. Only they've even using that excuse for years. You have to start sometime right? the national debt has also been growing for several administrations It's grown under them all. Just not as fast as under this admin. if we are not adding jobs as quickly as people give up on looking for jobs, that employment rate is not going to drop significantly (if at all) So then what does that say about the jobs created? That they aren't worth getting off the go ernment dole. Why work when the government will go e me almost as much for doing nothing. http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx the government gives nothing close to what one can earn working,,,, |
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more. He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. its also true that we are spending LESS under Obama so, the truth of how the debt has grown must lie somewhere in the middle of past and present policies,,,, after all DEBT is accumulated over time,,, No it's not true. We are spending less this year under Obama than we did the first year under Obama maybe. Obama's lowest year was more than Bush's most expensive. |
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more. He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. its also true that we are spending LESS under Obama so, the truth of how the debt has grown must lie somewhere in the middle of past and present policies,,,, after all DEBT is accumulated over time,,, No it's not true. We are spending less this year under Obama than we did the first year under Obama maybe. Obama's lowest year was more than Bush's most expensive. thats the beauty and horror of numbers, they can be nitpicked to make just about any point,,, |
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I am in the same boat as I was 4 years earlier but because of the national debt the country is worse off.
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Edited by
Chazster
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Wed 09/05/12 11:08 AM
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more. He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. its also true that we are spending LESS under Obama so, the truth of how the debt has grown must lie somewhere in the middle of past and present policies,,,, after all DEBT is accumulated over time,,, No it's not true. We are spending less this year under Obama than we did the first year under Obama maybe. Obama's lowest year was more than Bush's most expensive. thats the beauty and horror of numbers, they can be nitpicked to make just about any point,,, So when we look at money spent per year how is a smaller number ever more? |
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As a note on spending, in 2011 the government collected about 2.4 trillion dollars. When looking at only mandatory spending for that year it was 2.1 trillion. We spend too much. Even with no discretionary spending we spending too much.
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It's fair to say the debt never grew this fast ever. He has been the most expensive president to date. The only one who was in office when the credit score was lowered. He plans to spend more. He delivered change, just in the wrong direction. 
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Are you better of than 4 years ago? That seems to be the looming question around election time. As a whole the country doesn't seem to be. Jan 2009 - Today Unemployment 7% - 8% Median income $54,000 - $50,000 Gas prices $1.80 - $3.80 National debt $10T - $16T We need to move forward and stop looking back. No matter what four years ago was like, I would not go back there. |
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