sure do


same way I own my car, which I paid for outright

although I still cant park it where it says 'no parking' without some consequence

yet the CAR belongs to me,, yes

Sounds to me you feel secure in your ownership because you have no negative feelings towards the current government restrictions. Funny how you think it's OK for the state to say you can't do drugs and send you to jail if you do, but damn them if they want Someone to do a drug test to get government aid.

If you feel it's the same then go and try to sell a tire. I am sure no one cares. Next go and try to sell a kidney. I mean if you own that kidney you should be able to sell it.

Your point here is pointless. Your point is you cant park your car somewhere you don't own . . . way to not deal with the topic.

Try again.

So if you own your car, can you dismantle it? Can you sell off its pieces? Can you put high octane gas in it even though it might be harmful? Heck can you put water in your own gas tank? Can you crash the car into a tree you own on your own property? Should you? Should government through force stop you from doing any of these things? Why?

yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
no, why destroy property I worked hard to pay for
no

because its mine and affects NOONE else as it is inanimate,,,,

So why is it different when instead of a car its a kidney?

I think it pretty much means what you think it means.
I guess you could take your own life although I wouldn't do that.
I guess you can take risks or do whatever you like as long as
you want to do it bad enough. It's really impossible to avoid
risk so it is only a matter of which risks you wish to take.
It's a free country as they say...Go for it!

I don't think there is any "other" hidden meaning.

Ok so we agree that the ramifications of self ownership is that laws which restrict such choices are really demonstrating a legal system which ignores our ownership of ourselves?

Yes, in order for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to serve the purpose for which they were intended, people must know and understand their rights!...The Constitution does not GRANT people RIGHTS, it restricts government!...Rights and privileges are not the same thing...Because each and every one of us has a RIGHT to life, we also have a RIGHT to protect it....HOWEVER that right, that most fundamental of all rights, exclusive property ownership, is slowy but surely being taken over by government!... Conrad is correct!...Example: Our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms is qualified or controlled by government with respect to what TYPE of arms we have the RIGHT to bear...Same thing is true of health care (our bodies)...Government continues to infringe upon our RIGHTS...They cannot do this unless we are willing to let them...Know your RIGHTS! ...Don't allow or ask government to bail you out! ...Take responsibility for yourself and for your freedom before it is too late....

Do you own your body?...Yes...Do you have complete control over it?.....Nope...

because cars are much easier to replace?......

I dont perceive it that way

its precautionary law, which is about those other than just ourselves who can potentially be harmed

just like a speed limit,,,certain activities have the high risk factor of harming OTHERS, and we pass laws to try to deter those activities or at least diminish their attractiveness and rate of occurrence,,,

telling me not to use poison is a different matter than insisting I let someone poke and prod me just so my kids can eat,,,

So tell me how that differs from anything else that may be considered harmful or illegal to put in "your" body...

If you truly "own" your own body, how can anyone claim the right to illegate what you may wish to do with it....other than infriging on the rights of others (for which there is justifiable laws)?

They think they own the rain as well....

Man Sentenced to 30 Days for Catching Rain Water on Own Property Enters Jail

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail

Perhaps if they tested the water for evidence of weather manipulation.... may be the reason for the charges in the 1st place....

To what extreme would they go to put their "cap and trade" global warming tax into affect?

Harrington was found guilty two weeks ago of breaking a 1925 law for having, what state water managers called “three illegal reservoirs” on his property. He was convicted of nine misdemeanors, sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined over $1500 for collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his property.


Crowd of supporters outside Jackson County Jail, Wednesday August 8, 2012. (Photo: Gary Harrington)

The Oregon Water Resources Department, claims that Harrington has been violating the state’s water use law by diverting water from streams running into the Big Butte River.



,, putting the law in the hands of the states,, he can move to a state without such laws,,,,,isnt that what constitutionalism is about?

I was born and raised in Oregon, most family still there.

Trust me.... the lack of rain water is NOT a problem in most parts of Oregon

Central and Southern get less, but Central is buried under snow 9 months a year, and the south has like 10,000 rivers and lakes flowing out of the Cascades.... and never has had a lot of rain.

It's a BS BLM (land management) control thing the people (mostly ranchers and farmers) have been fighting since it started in the 1950's I believe.

Because you would rather let your kids starve than pee in a cup?

nope, I would not rather have my kids starve, but whats that to do with it


if I had to have sex with a football team to get assistance, would that be ok too? or would my objection mean I would 'rather' have my kids starve?

my kids need to eat.. yes,,, what I should be forced to do for that help is a seperate issue,,,

Central planners exist at all levels of government. Doesn't really matter where they enact there laws if they strip citizens of freedom without showing harm to another then they are doing exactly what we are describing and reject.

This is wide reaching.

Cant grow your own tabbaco.
Cant buy/sell lemonade.
Heck one lady is being evicted for having a garden.

You say move if you don't like it . . please, that is hardly an option for most Americans. The real answer is outlaw laws which do not meet the burden of harm, and place the burden of demonstrating harm on the folks who wish to bring charges, or bring complaint.

Millions of restrictive laws which require no harm at all for someone to be harmed through force by the government for the audacity of selling lemonade. Protectionists like msharmony are to blame.

I think we're all waking up to the fact that we're "tied together." And we're all "in it" together. But now what?..Do some groups have the right to push their agenda on the general population through government laws and involvement?..A few years back there was a ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage here in Arizona. My husband and I owned and operated a store at the time...Of course we wanted to see the minimum wage go up a bit. (And we knew it still wouldn't be "enough" to really support a family.)...At the time we only had one employee and we paid her more than minimum wage. (We had a family-operated business with help from our son.)...Anyway we took a look at the other "side" too. Voters in the state of AZ would be telling (forcing) private businesses to pay their employees more money per hour out of their own "pockets" and chance to earn a profit...Small business owners don't always have it so "easy" these days. They struggle to stay "afloat." (This was the case for us too!)...Voters wouldn't be handing small businesses "extra cash" to cover the hike in the minimum wage. And the state of AZ wasn't going to provide "extra cash" to small business owners either!...Anyway there are so many "sides" to each and every issue! And I think it's best when we take a step back and examine how our "wants" and "needs" might affect people on the other "side." (And the general population.)

I spent my earlier life in So CA and I think I probably got "programmed" and "brainwashed" a little bit when it came to "government involvement!".. Later in life I moved to Arizona and got used to being a little "freer." (But things have changed a lot through the years since I moved here. Sad!)