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Topic: Bringing Democracy To The World
Optomistic69's photo
Wed 08/01/12 05:49 AM
War is glorified in Hollywood Movies

The Good Guys versus The Bad Guys

The native Americans were depicted as BAD PEOPLE

We never it seems talk about the innocent men women and children.

Take the profit out of the war machine and see what happens.


Its The Way I feel This Morning



It was all done in The Name Of Democracy

No it Phucking wasn't

For the most part, millions of poor people have been murdered for the benefit of those who have always been better off than those who were murdered.


Here is a song to listen to over your morning coffee

Yes, shocking I know but that's life..until we wake-up

They collected the wounded
The crippled, the maimed,
And they shipped us back home to Australia.
The armless, the legless
The blind, the insane.
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And when the ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where me legs used to be.
And thanked Christ there was no one there waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg

s1owhand's photo
Wed 08/01/12 06:03 AM
War is Hell but sometimes military self defense is necessary.
It was necessary to confront Germany and the Axis powers in
WWII. It was necessary to root out Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda and
take down the terrorist Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

Iraqis found it necessary to get rid of Saddam.
Libyans found it necessary to get rid of Qaddafi.
Egyptians had to confront Mubarak.
Looks like Assad will follow.

These despotic tyrants survive only with the acquiescence,
collaboration and/or outright fear from their populations.
Despots need to be confronted for the torture they impose on
their innocent people.

There is no shame in confronting tyranny. It is our duty for
the sake of humanity to not allow such monsters as Pol Pot
to create pockets of hell on earth and victimize their citizenry.

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a
prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty
to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude
is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his
guilt."

-John Phipot Curran

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 08/01/12 06:06 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Wed 08/01/12 06:11 AM
When was the last time America had to defend its borders military.

Get Real


Unless you are in favour of A New World Order


Ask yourself who funded Hitler

Germany was bankrupt in 1939


Ask yourself who funded the other side.

Ask yourself Questions

The answers are out there but not where you might think


Chazster's photo
Wed 08/01/12 07:23 AM
What does defending boarders have to do with anythin? This isn't 1700. People are not going to show up on our boarders with warships. They are more likely to just launch missiles that could level cities without coming close to our borders.

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/01/12 07:25 AM
On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.

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Wed 08/01/12 08:29 AM

What does defending boarders have to do with anythin? This isn't 1700. People are not going to show up on our boarders with warships. They are more likely to just launch missiles that could level cities without coming close to our borders.


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Wed 08/01/12 08:29 AM

On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


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Optomistic69's photo
Wed 08/01/12 08:41 AM

People are not going to show up on our boarders with warships. They are more likely to just launch missiles that could level cities without coming close to our borders.


Oh Yes The Preemptive strike...they are not ready so lets bomb the shite out of them.

On reflection...they weren't going to attack us at all ...too bad... we have all these weapons of war and we have to keep the home fires burning so to speak while we set the world aflame.

It is estimated that 8 Miliion people have been murdered as a result of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years.

Justify That if it is possible.

USrael are another country that are masters of The Preemptive Strike.

And It Is Called Warlaugh laugh laugh


No It is Murder on a Grand Scale.

Lets have a pop at Russia?

Lets have a Pop at China?

Lets Go for broke and Incinerate Iran....not my policy BTW

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Wed 08/01/12 08:46 AM
America should be the good guys who help small countries. Instead they are bullies, controlled by a criminal organization.

There are X-military here in this country who have gotten wise to the criminal war machine.

To all military out there reading this, it is your duty to refuse an order that goes against your conscience. We are human beings, not machines. To follow an order that is wrong will ultimately come back on your shoulders. Saying "I was just following orders" cannot be your defense. Your job is to protect the innocent civilians, not kill them.


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Wed 08/01/12 08:50 AM
The people of Germany loved their leader... and supported him. If they didn't, they ended up in the concentration camps with the Jews and the mentally infirm and anyone else who did not measure up or who objected to what was going on.


s1owhand's photo
Wed 08/01/12 08:56 AM

America should be the good guys who help small countries.


And by and large we ARE the good guys who help smaller countries
and combat terrorism and tyranny.

We should all be proud of our record.
It is not perfect but no one is perfect.

The US is still the finest example of Governance,
freedom and democracy in the world!

drinker

no photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:00 AM

War is glorified in Hollywood Movies

The Good Guys versus The Bad Guys

The native Americans were depicted as BAD PEOPLE

We never it seems talk about the innocent men women and children.

Take the profit out of the war machine and see what happens.


Its The Way I feel This Morning



It was all done in The Name Of Democracy

No it Phucking wasn't

For the most part, millions of poor people have been murdered for the benefit of those who have always been better off than those who were murdered.


Here is a song to listen to over your morning coffee

Yes, shocking I know but that's life..until we wake-up

They collected the wounded
The crippled, the maimed,
And they shipped us back home to Australia.
The armless, the legless
The blind, the insane.
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And when the ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where me legs used to be.
And thanked Christ there was no one there waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg


"The World Is a More Violent Place Than It Used to Be."
"No way. The early 21st century seems awash in wars: the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, street battles in Somalia, Islamist insurgencies in Pakistan, massacres in the Congo, genocidal campaigns in Sudan. All in all, regular fighting is taking place in 18 wars around the globe today. Public opinion reflects this sense of an ever more dangerous world: One survey a few years ago found that 60 percent of Americans considered a third world war likely. Expectations for the new century were bleak even before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and their bloody aftermath: Political scientist James G. Blight and former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara suggested earlier that year that we could look forward to an average of 3 million war deaths per year worldwide in the 21st century.

So far they haven't even been close. In fact, the last decade has seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years, based on data compiled by researchers Bethany Lacina and Nils Petter Gleditsch of the Peace Research Institute Oslo. Worldwide, deaths caused directly by war-related violence in the new century have averaged about 55,000 per year, just over half of what they were in the 1990s (100,000 a year), a third of what they were during the Cold War (180,000 a year from 1950 to 1989), and a hundredth of what they were in World War II. If you factor in the growing global population, which has nearly quadrupled in the last century, the decrease is even sharper. Far from being an age of killer anarchy, the 20 years since the Cold War ended have been an era of rapid progress toward peace.

Armed conflict has declined in large part because armed conflict has fundamentally changed. Wars between big national armies all but disappeared along with the Cold War, taking with them the most horrific kinds of mass destruction. Today's asymmetrical guerrilla wars may be intractable and nasty, but they will never produce anything like the siege of Leningrad. The last conflict between two great powers, the Korean War, effectively ended nearly 60 years ago. The last sustained territorial war between two regular armies, Ethiopia and Eritrea, ended a decade ago. Even civil wars, though a persistent evil, are less common than in the past; there were about a quarter fewer in 2007 than in 1990.

If the world feels like a more violent place than it actually is, that's because there's more information about wars -- not more wars themselves. Once-remote battles and war crimes now regularly make it onto our TV and computer screens, and in more or less real time. Cell-phone cameras have turned citizens into reporters in many war zones. Societal norms about what to make of this information have also changed. As Harvard University psychologist Steven Pinker has noted, "The decline of violent behavior has been paralleled by a decline in attitudes that tolerate or glorify violence," so that we see today's atrocities -- though mild by historical standards -- as "signs of how low our behavior can sink, not of how high our standards have risen."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/15/think_again_war?page=full

TattooedDude81's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:01 AM

On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


It will all change, as will the world. I personally want the U.S. government overthrown, I don't trust them at all. I believe the government killed JFK, killed Abe Lincoln, amongst many other things. They are watching our every move. But then again, I'm a conspiracy guy. There's not much I do trust.

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Wed 08/01/12 09:04 AM


On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


It will all change, as will the world. I personally want the U.S. government overthrown, I don't trust them at all. I believe the government killed JFK, killed Abe Lincoln, amongst many other things. They are watching our every move. But then again, I'm a conspiracy guy. There's not much I do trust.


That's great Dude...Care to elaborate on what happens after the overthrow?

TattooedDude81's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:07 AM



On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


It will all change, as will the world. I personally want the U.S. government overthrown, I don't trust them at all. I believe the government killed JFK, killed Abe Lincoln, amongst many other things. They are watching our every move. But then again, I'm a conspiracy guy. There's not much I do trust.


That's great Dude...Care to elaborate on what happens after the overthrow?


Start over! Our constitution isn't even being followed. I don't even see the point in why high schooler's even have to take the test anymore. This country is NOT being ran the way it was suppose to be. Our forefathers are probably rolling in their graves.

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:30 AM


People are not going to show up on our boarders with warships. They are more likely to just launch missiles that could level cities without coming close to our borders.


Oh Yes The Preemptive strike...they are not ready so lets bomb the shite out of them.

On reflection...they weren't going to attack us at all ...too bad... we have all these weapons of war and we have to keep the home fires burning so to speak while we set the world aflame.

It is estimated that 8 Miliion people have been murdered as a result of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years.

Justify That if it is possible.

USrael are another country that are masters of The Preemptive Strike.

And It Is Called Warlaugh laugh laugh


No It is Murder on a Grand Scale.

Lets have a pop at Russia?

Lets have a Pop at China?

Lets Go for broke and Incinerate Iran....not my policy BTW


Remember what happened last time we sat around and did nothing? Oh Yea, Japan bombed us. Saddam being gone, Castro being gone, osama being gone, north Korea on a tight leash. Who thinks these are bad things? South Korea probably lost the war without our help and look what an economic and technological power they are today. All of that wouldn't be here if we sat on our butts and did nothing.

TattooedDude81's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:33 AM



People are not going to show up on our boarders with warships. They are more likely to just launch missiles that could level cities without coming close to our borders.


Oh Yes The Preemptive strike...they are not ready so lets bomb the shite out of them.

On reflection...they weren't going to attack us at all ...too bad... we have all these weapons of war and we have to keep the home fires burning so to speak while we set the world aflame.

It is estimated that 8 Miliion people have been murdered as a result of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years.

Justify That if it is possible.

USrael are another country that are masters of The Preemptive Strike.

And It Is Called Warlaugh laugh laugh


No It is Murder on a Grand Scale.

Lets have a pop at Russia?

Lets have a Pop at China?

Lets Go for broke and Incinerate Iran....not my policy BTW


Remember what happened last time we sat around and did nothing? Oh Yea, Japan bombed us. Saddam being gone, Castro being gone, osama being gone, north Korea on a tight leash. Who thinks these are bad things? South Korea probably lost the war without our help and look what an economic and technological power they are today. All of that wouldn't be here if we sat on our butts and did nothing.


North Korea I feel is not on a tight leash. This new leader, his son, is crazier than his father. I expect North Korea to start shooting off at some point. They don't have a care in the world about anyone, even their own people.

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:33 AM

On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


All the SUPER POWERS below would be stupid to Attack Americalaugh

1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia
17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism
19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine
22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA
25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others
East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie
34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead
35. Greece - 1964-1974: "**** your Parliament and your Constitution," said
the President of the United States
36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat
37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution"
38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2
39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum
44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington
46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad
54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?

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Wed 08/01/12 09:36 AM




On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


It will all change, as will the world. I personally want the U.S. government overthrown, I don't trust them at all. I believe the government killed JFK, killed Abe Lincoln, amongst many other things. They are watching our every move. But then again, I'm a conspiracy guy. There's not much I do trust.


That's great Dude...Care to elaborate on what happens after the overthrow?


Start over! Our constitution isn't even being followed. I don't even see the point in why high schooler's even have to take the test anymore. This country is NOT being ran the way it was suppose to be. Our forefathers are probably rolling in their graves.


One reason high schoolers take tests is to determine if they are capable of proper sentence structure and proper use of the English language...
Can you describe to me how or why this country is not being run properly?... I would love to hear your take on this as well as something more specific than just saying we should start over ...Do you have any idea what it would take to "start over"?

TattooedDude81's photo
Wed 08/01/12 09:42 AM





On a second note, you know Why people don't come after the US militarily? Because they know we set the curve for military technology.


It will all change, as will the world. I personally want the U.S. government overthrown, I don't trust them at all. I believe the government killed JFK, killed Abe Lincoln, amongst many other things. They are watching our every move. But then again, I'm a conspiracy guy. There's not much I do trust.


That's great Dude...Care to elaborate on what happens after the overthrow?


Start over! Our constitution isn't even being followed. I don't even see the point in why high schooler's even have to take the test anymore. This country is NOT being ran the way it was suppose to be. Our forefathers are probably rolling in their graves.


One reason high schoolers take tests is to determine if they are capable of proper sentence structure and proper use of the English language...
Can you describe to me how or why this country is not being run properly?... I would love to hear your take on this as well as something more specific than just saying we should start over ...Do you have any idea what it would take to "start over"?



Yea, I know they take tests, we've all been there. But why take the constitution test? It's pointless. And please, give me a break, have you looked this country lately!?!? We go into Iraq to find "WMD's", well well, did we find any? Hell no, he was just finishing his father's business. My sister is in the Navy, my cousin a Army Ranger, even both of them say this country is bull****, it's ran wrong. I support our troops, but not the government. And don't get me started even more on this topic. It's pretty bad when I have 2 friends, one moved here from Canada, one from England..and they both wish they never did. They see all crap going on and so on. I'm a Schizophrenic, so you'll probably judge that too, but do I care? Nope, this country can piss off.

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