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Topic: Don’t 30 Million Workers Deserve 1968 Wages?
Bestinshow's photo
Sat 06/09/12 05:36 AM
Thirty million American workers arise, you have nothing to lose but some of your debt!From left: Ralph Nader, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL), and Rep. john Conyers (D-MI) introuced teh "Catching Up to 1968 Act of 2012" this week, which presses for a federal minimum wage of $10 per hour.

Wednesday morning, Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Ill.) introduced the “Catching Up to 1968 Act of 2012” (H.R. 5901) – legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $10 per hour. The present minimum wage is $7.25, way below the unrealistically low federal poverty definition of $18,123 per year for a family of three. Adjusted for inflation, the 1968 minimum wage today would be a little above $10 per hour.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/08-2

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 06:54 AM
what? we will kill the ability of the generous elite and business owners to hire the people they are ALREADY NOT hiring,,lol

how dare we expect them to be able to do it just cause it was done in 1968?


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jk,, Im all for it. Wages really need to keep up with inflation. IF the products and services are costing more, the wage for creating them should correlate.

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Sat 06/09/12 09:12 AM
Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/09/12 09:43 AM

Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.

:laughing:

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 06/09/12 10:27 AM

Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.

You wont because what goes ignored are the increased efficiencies in all forms of production.

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Sat 06/09/12 10:30 AM
Too many of these companies have their business model predicated on slave wages. And then the top guy takes home millions. Go figure.

And you know what minimum wage says? If I could pay you less, I would.

I'm not in business, but if I was - and the success or failure of my business depended on me paying minimum wage - I'd find myself another business. I could never insult someone by offering less than $10.

That's just my code.

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Sat 06/09/12 11:16 AM
And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 11:43 AM

And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:



while people are working to 'better themself' they still have to have food, shelter,clothes, etc,,,(for themand their family)

maybe in a time when jobs went into careers , and companies were secure havens to make a lifetime living at,,,,the old escuses could hold up about minimum wage just being for 'starter'

but in modern times, thats just not the case anymore,,even those who have invested time and money to 'better' themselves are finding little option to make a decent wage,,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 11:44 AM

Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.



im doubting a 25 percent increase in wages would require a 1000 percent increase in costs,,,,

but IM sure those profiting would push the idea , and we arent doing well teaching 'math' anymore,,,,

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Sat 06/09/12 12:29 PM


Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.



im doubting a 25 percent increase in wages would require a 1000 percent increase in costs,,,,

but IM sure those profiting would push the idea , and we arent doing well teaching 'math' anymore,,,,

Hey, four out of three people have trouble with math.:smile:

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 12:30 PM



Hey, I'm all for it too. I won't mind paying $20.00 for a hamburger at McDonalds.



im doubting a 25 percent increase in wages would require a 1000 percent increase in costs,,,,

but IM sure those profiting would push the idea , and we arent doing well teaching 'math' anymore,,,,

Hey, four out of three people have trouble with math.:smile:




laugh laugh laugh laugh exactly

InvictusV's photo
Sat 06/09/12 12:39 PM

what? we will kill the ability of the generous elite and business owners to hire the people they are ALREADY NOT hiring,,lol

how dare we expect them to be able to do it just cause it was done in 1968?


<sarcasm>

jk,, Im all for it. Wages really need to keep up with inflation. IF the products and services are costing more, the wage for creating them should correlate.


Wages are the only aspect of business that raise costs?

Good Lord..

Obama school of business..

Business Mismanagement 101..






msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 12:49 PM
no, basic math really

goes like this

if people are making more money, they have more money to spend, if they have more money to spend they spend it on products and services, if people are spending money on products and services, the need for employees to continue supplying them remains constant

on the other hand, if people have less money to spend, they have less money to spend on products and services, if products and services increase in cost, they are less likely to be purchased, if they are less likely to be purchased, the profits no longer will sustain the workers and people will lose jobs, if people lose jobs, they have less money to spend,,,


two different cycles,, the main difference is, the correlation between HAVING MORE MONEY(making more money) and being able to charge more money for goods and services

as opposed to continually charging more without a correlation in peoples pockets that would normally PURCHASE ,,,,

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Sat 06/09/12 01:18 PM

And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 01:29 PM


And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,

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Sat 06/09/12 02:07 PM



And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.

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Sat 06/09/12 02:18 PM
Edited by alleoops on Sat 06/09/12 02:20 PM




And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 04:23 PM





And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.




what year was that?

in any case, I would imagine whenever it was that wages were 1.92 companies were much more 'stable' and people could count on some type of employment security and 'moving up'

before outsourcing, automation, and downsizing became popular ways to screw the common folk in order to save a buck,,,,


the economic environment for people to earn a living has changed drastically,,,,

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Sat 06/09/12 04:27 PM






And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.




what year was that?

in any case, I would imagine whenever it was that wages were 1.92 companies were much more 'stable' and people could count on some type of employment security and 'moving up'

before outsourcing, automation, and downsizing became popular ways to screw the common folk in order to save a buck,,,,


the economic environment for people to earn a living has changed drastically,,,,

but not the motivation. got to have it.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/09/12 04:32 PM







And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.




what year was that?

in any case, I would imagine whenever it was that wages were 1.92 companies were much more 'stable' and people could count on some type of employment security and 'moving up'

before outsourcing, automation, and downsizing became popular ways to screw the common folk in order to save a buck,,,,


the economic environment for people to earn a living has changed drastically,,,,

but not the motivation. got to have it.



the motivation for a high schooler to earn money when mom and dad still pretty much cover the RESPONSIBILITIES and BILLS and said money is mostly for their pocket,, is different than the motivation for GROWN PEOPLE to earn money when they have to invest it in the daycare/fuel/auto insurance to get to work before they even PAY any bills,,,,

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