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Topic: Where is the media on this?
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Tue 03/27/12 12:22 PM





yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest


No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him.

I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty.



probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,,


just saying



Only if you ignore the witnesses. You cant cherry pick what you want, and that is exactly what the Martin's and the media want and are ACTIVELY trying to do.

My opinion is anyone who does that is dishonest.


I guess we can cherry pick which witnesses account you choose to be valid

considering Several witnesses not all saying the same thing,,,

I guess I would side with law enforcement. If they had enough they would arrest him.
I'm pretty sure they have more information then the media is letting on.
No one is unarmed.
So what if Zimmerman had a gun. Did he pull it and threaten Martins life with it?
What I he still had it holstered and concealed and Martin didn't know he was carrying, but during the altercation Martin saw the gun and went for it but Zimmerman got to it first?



one person has a gun, one person doesnt

there needs to be an investigation,,,,

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Tue 03/27/12 12:59 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 03/27/12 01:00 PM
one person has a gun, one person doesnt

there needs to be an investigation,,,,
Its ongoing, but with no new facts its self defense.

Its pretty hard to imagine what facts could come out that would change that based on the assault that clearly was taking place.

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Tue 03/27/12 01:02 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/27/12 01:03 PM

one person has a gun, one person doesnt

there needs to be an investigation,,,,
Its ongoing, but with no new facts its self defense.

Its pretty hard to imagine what facts could come out that would change that based on the assault that clearly was taking place.



there was a fight clearly taking place, but who was in the wrong is up for dispute

it takes two to fight, but either both are right or both are wrong,,otherwise some determination must be made somehow about the REASONABLENESS of the actions leading up to and during the confrontation,,, as well as the honesty or dishonesty of the 'victim' giving the account,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/27/12 01:05 PM
doesnt matter

let it go to court, figure out who was the AGGRESSOR and who was 'defending' themself

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Tue 03/27/12 02:24 PM
Edited by TJN on Tue 03/27/12 02:25 PM

doesnt matter

let it go to court, figure out who was the AGGRESSOR and who was 'defending' themself

You're right it doesn't matter. The race baiters Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, president Obama and their followers have already convicted Zimmerman of murder.
It's been made a racial issue by them and the media. Is it a sign of things to come? More racial devide in this country? I'd be willing to bet there will be a couple more of these incidences between now and the election. And if Obama looses there will be riots because all who didn't vote for Obama have to be racists.

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Tue 03/27/12 02:50 PM
I am sorry, I just shake my head at the ignorance in this thread, but what I think it much worse is the case of this women.

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/02/09/culpeper-officer-shoots-kills-woman/

Zimmerman had his head opened up by Martin and the media is questioning the self defense claim, but in this case the officer is claiming his arm was rolled up in a window which had manual crank windows, at a stop where he had no RAS to detain the person and then decided to shoot 6 times to stop her from leaving.

If no RAS, no authority to reach into her vehicle, if no authority then he had no right, if no right he shouldn't have done it, but even if he did do it, how did she roll his arm up into a window without him pulling free given it was a crank and not automatic?

Also why shoot at all? She was driving away, he was not in front of the vehicle, and a witness says his arm was NEVER rolled up in the window at all.

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Tue 03/27/12 04:20 PM


doesnt matter

let it go to court, figure out who was the AGGRESSOR and who was 'defending' themself

You're right it doesn't matter. The race baiters Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, president Obama and their followers have already convicted Zimmerman of murder.
It's been made a racial issue by them and the media. Is it a sign of things to come? More racial devide in this country? I'd be willing to bet there will be a couple more of these incidences between now and the election. And if Obama looses there will be riots because all who didn't vote for Obama have to be racists.




it hasnt been MADE racial, race is a part of our national dynamic,, it has a potential RACIAL element because of the words from Zimmerman describing him as a black male,,,that in itself mentions RACE and therefore potentially has a racial issue

not DEFINITELY, but investigation will decide whether it was or not,, not denying that it could be possible....

this isnt the first incident, since stand your ground there are ALREADY many instances like this , but this happens to be one that isnt going to be pushed under a rug and brushed off and forgotten

and noone is going to riot about a presidential election,,,

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Tue 03/27/12 04:22 PM

I am sorry, I just shake my head at the ignorance in this thread, but what I think it much worse is the case of this women.

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/02/09/culpeper-officer-shoots-kills-woman/

Zimmerman had his head opened up by Martin and the media is questioning the self defense claim, but in this case the officer is claiming his arm was rolled up in a window which had manual crank windows, at a stop where he had no RAS to detain the person and then decided to shoot 6 times to stop her from leaving.

If no RAS, no authority to reach into her vehicle, if no authority then he had no right, if no right he shouldn't have done it, but even if he did do it, how did she roll his arm up into a window without him pulling free given it was a crank and not automatic?

Also why shoot at all? She was driving away, he was not in front of the vehicle, and a witness says his arm was NEVER rolled up in the window at all.



hopefully it will be INVESTIGATED thoroughly

but police do tend to get more free passes than every day citizens,



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Tue 03/27/12 04:25 PM

I am sorry, I just shake my head at the ignorance in this thread, but what I think it much worse is the case of this women.

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/02/09/culpeper-officer-shoots-kills-woman/

Zimmerman had his head opened up by Martin and the media is questioning the self defense claim, but in this case the officer is claiming his arm was rolled up in a window which had manual crank windows, at a stop where he had no RAS to detain the person and then decided to shoot 6 times to stop her from leaving.

If no RAS, no authority to reach into her vehicle, if no authority then he had no right, if no right he shouldn't have done it, but even if he did do it, how did she roll his arm up into a window without him pulling free given it was a crank and not automatic?

Also why shoot at all? She was driving away, he was not in front of the vehicle, and a witness says his arm was NEVER rolled up in the window at all.


if a bully punches you and then you knock him onto the pavement, he may get a wound to the head,, but its not simply SELF DEFENSE If he responds by SHOOTING YOu

the details are important, not just wounds,,,,

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Wed 03/28/12 03:16 AM


its not made up,, his mother is WHITE, his dad is hispanic,,,,

I don't see aesthetics being applied to this quote I replied to..

Based on this a white mother and an african father would be considered a white african..
It shows how stupid it really is to try to describe people like this.

Your color is a description.
Your nationality is a description.
Where your group of people came from is not, this might matter to genealogy, but as a description its just stoopid.

The black people in my neighborhood are no more African than I am. HOWEVER, I do have a friend from South Africa, he does not like being called African American . . . yep, he is white. Although he is actually African American, he has dual citizenship.

Any time someone wants to use regional lineage as a way to describe people I cringe. How far back are we allowed to go? By what time constraints are we working? None of that matters, its all political anyways, which means its referent does not matter so long as the portrayal hits the mark for the desired bias.


It is totally absurd..

I said before that the ONLY reason this got any major coverage to begin with was because the media and left wing blogs saw WHITE killing BLACK and WHITE NOT going to jail..

That is the only reason this is getting covered..


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