The dose makes the poison.

Volant has a history of posting factually inaccurate videos.

Anti-flouride activists have a history of getting their 'science' completely wrong.

Bushido is correct - the dose makes the poison.

Many of our vitamins and all of the minerals that are available as dietary supplements are poisons in the same sense that flouride is a poison.

Don't drink too much water, it will poison you! But dont worry about the fluoride, you cant drink enough at the levels in our water, but watch out for that H2O it will kill you.

Paracelsus even knew that!
But it seems to have been forgotten lately!

I suppose you can die of drinking too much water, or even eating too much food, but then, can you live without it??

Can you live without fluoride? I think I can.

Flouride is helpful to the body. I'm grateful that the water where I grew up was treated with flouride, and also grateful that they carefully regulated the flouride levels.

Fluoride has been in many water sources longer than man has had the ability to change it.

I don't know what flouride is. But if you are talking about fluoride
I think you should actually watch the video. I don't see anything about Fluoride being "helpful" to the body.

Flouride is the element using in making bread, of course!

JB, I have seen dozens and dozens of these anti-fluoride videos, read books against fluoride, and spoken to many scores of anti-fluoride activists in my life. The world is full of people trying to make noise in support of their personal agenda; unless I'm given some particular compelling reason to do so, I'm going to skip on this particular video. I am very confident it will be over 90% claims that I've already heard, and the other 10% will also either be wrong or not interesting.

Fluoride is of tremendous benefit to human health in exactly the same way that a healthy mouth has tremendous benefit to human health. You've heard it all before, as well: Fluoride helps mineralize the teeth which in turn helps protect them against cavities.

I was convinced. There was a lot of evidence and studies to support that fluoride is not good to digest. I accept that fluoride kills bacteria on teeth but so does grapefruit seed extract. That does not mean that fluoride is good for you to digest. I will go with my gut. I doubt very seriously if fluoride is "good" for people. I believe it is not. I choose not to swallow it. LOL

I make bread with flour not flouride.

P.S. as for "personal agenda" against fluoride... what on earth would it benefit anyone to have that personal agenda? Why would anyone waste their time? I can think of thousands of personal agenda's more interesting than adding fluoride to our drinking water. I'll take my water as pure as I can get it thank you.

Such a low bar.

I go with my gut.

As they say... when in doubt, don't.

I had a bad feeling about aspartame too.

Besides, what is wrong with pure natural water. geeeeze.

I don't need the government (whom I don't trust) to tell me what is good for me. They keep changing their minds anyway.

I find that if I do the opposite of what they are trying to tell me to do, I am much better off.

Most water sources have fluoride naturally.

It is not good to ingest fluoride in large quantities.



I wasn't aware that this had anything to do with the use of fluoride in dental health. I've only heard about the strengthening of the enamel, which makes teeth resistant to the negative effects of bacteria.




When I said:

I was speaking of people that have personally made anti-fluoride activism an agenda of theirs. Most of these people are sincere, they are just wrong. Their agenda benefits them because it feeds the pleasure they get from their self-righteousness, it feeds their egos, it even increases their sense of purpose in their life. Many think they are serving others, but they would better serve if they spent their time deconstructing their beliefs rather than acting on them.




Well, it serves my personal agenda of wanting the children I care about to have good health.




As an adult, the benefit you get from fluoridated drinking water is less that that which is gained by children. If you are in a position to influence the exposure of children, however, I feel that you would be doing wrong in the world if you robbed a child of the chance to strengthen their teeth through exposure to fluoride at the right doses.

For those who wish for the children in their care to only drink purified water - they can still get fluoride treatments at the dentist, and use fluoridated toothpaste/mouthwash.

The first video opens with the old conspiracy favorite: The government is deliberately making people stupid, and only a few very smart people are able to figure it out.

That takes a minute.

Then there is two minutes of admittedly idiotic clips from news people and talking heads, some of which are mis-represented by the text commenting on them.

Then there's the scary 'dripping blood' font

At 3:30 a factually correct claim is made re: vaccination... buts in an old clips using that creepy 'indoctrination' voice we remember from our childhood...while showing a clip of children being treated like assembly line pieces. Way to make a basic scientific truth seem evil.

A few correct statements about mercury are made, followed by a completely wrong claim about autism. Come on anti-fluoride and anti-vaccine activists, gets your facts right.

Misleading 'facts' about autism are presented, completely and dishonestly ignoring the changes in how autism and autism spectrum disorders were defined and diagnosed over time.

Around 4:20ish the splice in a new audio clip in mid sentence, possibly misleading some into thinking it followed from the previous sentence.

A subjective claim about mercury is made, without any mention of concentration levels. A scary video is shown of mercury destroying nerves again without mention of concentration levels.

Then they cite the old "27 times more likely" line that the new age, woo, anti-vaccine community is so fond of citing, though actual research doesn't back it up.

I haven't read these papers, but I'm told that the following papers show this claim to be false:


↑ Uchiyama T. Kurosawa M. Inaba Y. MMR-vaccine and regression in autism spectrum disorders: negative results presented from Japan. Journal of Autism & Developmental Disorders. 37(2):210-7, 2007 Feb.

↑ Afzal MA. Ozoemena LC. O'Hare A. Kidger KA. Bentley ML. Minor PD. Absence of detectable measles virus genome sequence in blood of autistic children who have had their MMR vaccination during the routine childhood immunization schedule of UK. Journal of Medical Virology. 78(5):623-30, 2006 May.

↑ Honda H. Shimizu Y. Rutter M. No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study. Journal of Child Psychology & Psychiatry & Allied Disciplines. 46(6):572-9, 2005 Jun.

↑ Smeeth L. Cook C. Fombonne E. Heavey L. Rodrigues LC. Smith PG. Hall AJ. MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study. [Journal Article. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't] Lancet. 364(9438):963-9, 2004 Sep 11-17.

↑ DeStefano F. Thompson WW. MMR vaccine and autism: an update of the scientific evidence. Expert Review of Vaccines. 3(1):19-22, 2004 Feb.

↑ Brent Taylor, Elizabeth Miller, C Paddy Farrington, Maria-Christina Petropoulos, Isabelle Favot-Mayaud, Jun Li, PaulineAWaight. Autism and measles,mumps,and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 1999; 353: 2026–29.


I'm starting to get bored with this nonsense, and A=around 6:15 they start into the fuoride...


They start with that Bernay.. why? Are they trying to project guilt by association?

They made a big deal about how 'fluoride is a poison'. Fluoride is not a poison, anymore than table salt is a poison, or iron (necessary in your diet!) is a poison.

So the people quoted in this video are just demonstrating themselves to be ignorant and wrong.

They show a chart, without a precise explanation of what is actually being measured, which makes fluoride seem as scary as lead and arsenic.

Way to show something scary looking without actually being meaningful.

They say that baby formula should not be mixed with tapwater...but they haven't yet made sure that the audience even understand the concept of dosage or concentration or the possible significance of body mass. So yeah, infants should get less fluoride than toddlers, no surprise there, nothing scary either...but without scientific literacy, they make it sound like this is proof that 'fluoride is a poison' (which, again, is ignorant and wrong).


A bunch of clips are presented that deal with possible dangers, without any context. They list actual dangers of fluoride overdosing, without any facts or numbers related to concentration levels or amounts consumed. This is all very misleading and scary to the scientifically illiterate.

It's misleadingly cause a 'cumulative poison', even though fluoride is naturally eliminated from your blood by your kidneys. I say this is misleading because, as with every other claim in the video, no context is given! Sure, fluoride can also act as a cumulative poison if huge quantities are ingested, but the casual viewer is left with the impression that ongoing ingestion of low levels of fluoride are unavoidably poisonous over time...which is wrong.

And, finally, they ended with bringing in the nazis. Yes. "That's what its about." The modern day conversation about whether we should save poor children from cavities is actually just a continuation of the nazi plan of mass mind control through medicated water supplies.


My predictions were true. There was nothing new for me in that video, I've heard it all before, many, many, times.

Exactly. So why do we need to add it to the water? Duh.

A lot of water sources are undrinkable too.

Well that's probably true. Ever watch the nightly news?

My take on the whole subject is that there is a controversy about adding fluoride to water. There are a lot of people who think and agree that it is unhealthy. That by itself causes me to pause. If it was so "good for people" then I don't think there would be such a controversy.

There are professionals that appose water fluoridation, and there are professionals who endorse it.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/ <-----against it.
http://www.naturalnews.com/fluoride.html <-------against it
http://www.lifescript.com/health/conditions/oral-health/fluoride_what_you_need_to_know.aspx?gclid=CIPGhoGdra8CFSkaQgodOBvfmQ&trans=1&du=1&ef_id=VTFNtcRXUCkAAM-k%3a20120411163428%3as <-------says it causes discoloration of teeth but prevents cavities.


Like anything, dosage is important. That is a given.

But to force a community to add it to their water is like forcing people to take vitamins or get vaccines. Its not right.

The main goal of the nightly news producers is to make money. They run idiotic programming primarily because idiotic programming sells. Some aspects of so-called 'human nature' haven't changed much since the days of the gladiators.




I don't disagree with this position. IIRC, there was an effort a while back to legally require all bread makers to include a nutrient in their bread which would be very helpful to a lot of old people. I'm opposed to this. I want to be able to buy bread that doesn't have this added nutrient. Let a bread companies market such a bread directly to old people, don't force everyone to use it. Unlike fluoride in water, I cannot "purify" my bread to remove this nutrient.

Unfortunately, the anti-fluoride movement does not say:



If they said this, I would support them. Instead, the anti-fluoride movement is largely an anti-reality movement. It's a movement based largely on false logic, fear mongering, and lies....and given my interest in raw foodism and other fringe health movements, I've seen more of it than I'd ever have wanted to see.

I can somewhat agree with this. People get on their soapboxes, including the people pushing to force others to add it to the drinking water.

Let people have a choice. They could discover that they are wrong like so many drugs that are on the market that lawyers are getting rich suing drug companies for.

I don't like being forced to wear a seat belt or a helment either.

No, its been studied for longer than I have lived. Its fine.