Topic: An attack on Iran would be criminal stupidity
InvictusV's photo
Wed 02/29/12 11:31 AM







I couldnt help but laugh at these anti Putin comments and the absurd thought process that goes into something like that. Its as if americans have amnesia about our own misadventures. One doesnt have to major in history to do an honest comparison.

the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php

Hasany other country on this planet been involved in so much bloodshed? How can we even condem anyone at all? Hypocracy on a massive scale for sure. How much longre will the rest of the world put up with uber Umerika?



"One doesnt have to major in history to do an honest comparison."

HAHA

England.. Russia.. France.. Germany.. China

It would take us 1000 years to catch up to the number of people these five countries have killed..

Persia.. Greece.. The Roman Empire..

I guess they didn't kill anyone when they ruled the known world..

Thanks for the laugh.. Good way to start off the workday..











Im on vacation laugh please provide some proof of your absurdity. Your uninformed comments do not impress me.


Do you want me to keep going, mr historian?
Lets just say you had to go back way back in history to the most brutal regimes ever to find a comparison. I was thinking in terms of modern history anyhow. After all these are the times we live in and an apples to apples comparison can be made only along those lines.

No country in modern times has waged more unjust wars than the good old USA.




Yeah.. well.. I clearly stated:

England.. Russia.. France.. Germany.. China

Persia.. Greece.. The Roman Empire..

and you said..

please provide some proof of your absurdity. Your uninformed comments do not impress me.

I clearly proved my absurdity.. So now you want to move the goalpost..

Well .. Stalin killed at least 20 million and Mao 40 million.. Don't have to go back too far for that..

The Russians killed 130,000 during the two wars with Chechnya. They killed about 2 million in Afghanistan and wounded 3 million more mostly civilians.

Germany France England started 2 world wars that killed 75 million..

So.. should we now just talk about last week?


I never said in History did I? laugh We killed 6 million in vietnam alone possibly another 6 million in Iraq directly and inderectly. The figures you give for russia and china are internal policies that lead to starvation not an external war.

A case could be made for our internal policies as well, how many people have actualy died because they do not have healthcare? How many early deaths due to malnutrition? All valid points.

Ill have to let you have the last word for now getting ready for the state wrestlin tournement in columbus tomorrow the kid actualy made itdrinker


good luck to your son..

InvictusV's photo
Wed 02/29/12 11:40 AM

The problem is that America has done all this killing in the name of Democracy and Humanitarianism.


haha..

What were the IRA and RUC killing in the name of?



Optomistic69's photo
Wed 02/29/12 11:41 AM


The problem is that America has done all this killing in the name of Democracy and Humanitarianism.


haha..

What were the IRA and RUC killing in the name of?





That was an internal conflict

InvictusV's photo
Wed 02/29/12 11:52 AM



The problem is that America has done all this killing in the name of Democracy and Humanitarianism.


haha..

What were the IRA and RUC killing in the name of?





That was an internal conflict


killing is killing..

when we fought a civil war at least it was for something morally justifiable.

RUC killed to stay the little lapdog of the queen..







Optomistic69's photo
Wed 02/29/12 12:19 PM
You are aware that The RUC were the Police Force of Northern Ireland.


And We are OFF TOPIC..offtopic oops SORRY


Lpdon's photo
Wed 02/29/12 01:15 PM
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!

no photo
Wed 02/29/12 01:24 PM

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!


The Iranian regime, actually all Islamic extremists would love you and your sentiments. They would wish all americans and westerners would speak just like you, seriously they would. You validate their veiw that the 'west' hates them and wants to destroy them.

Genius!!!think

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 02/29/12 01:24 PM

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!


Not Going To Happen Son....sorry to disappoint you

Doves 1

Hawks 0

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 02/29/12 01:29 PM

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh

Lpdon's photo
Wed 02/29/12 01:44 PM


Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh


Trust me, that's not what cost McCain the election.

MultipleDichotomies's photo
Wed 02/29/12 02:11 PM
First, it is way past time for the United States to break their dependence on foreign oil. I applaud the higher gas prices; it makes efficiency all that much more urgent. Major breakthroughs have already been made in alternative sources for energy; solar and wind generation are ever increasing, and there's no going back from that level. Once we convert the power plants away from petroleums, our demand for oil will plummet.

Second, the idea that Russia is still a world power is completely laughable. Russia is not what the Soviet Union was; it is the emaciated leftover of a failed economic system that took but never gave. Russian soldiers work at dismantling tanks; fleets of submarines and jet planes sit rusting and useless. Russia isn't even a neighbor to Iran anymore; the smaller splinter countries that formed in the downfall of the Soviet Union are in the way.

Third, the Cold War was the biggest, costliest mistake the United States and the Soviet Union ever made. The only innovation it sparked was weaponry, with every conflict we fought either directly or through proxies giving us the opportunity to field test those killing machines.

The only justified military action is to support a stable government. Expansionist efforts are illegal, and have been, though both China and the Soviet Union have gotten away with land grabs in the past...and China will most likely continue to do so.

Had the United States upheld their belief that a stable government was in their best interest, we would have allied with the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, not supported the rebels. We've been paying the price of that mistake ever since.

In a world where the "major league teams" have nuclear weapons, there will always be nations that wish to ascend to that dangerous level. Like Pandora's Box, the secret of nuclear weaponry can never be put away, hidden from use; it is a reality, and one we need to have a good plan for succeeding in.

I cannot see Israel going non-nuclear until the war over their presence ends. When the Middle East finally accepts that there are Jews living on their Holy Land, then Israel may start to accept that they don't need to be prepared to fight a war on every edge of their borders.

In the meantime, we need to not only continue to vehemently discourage further weapon proliferation, we need to track down and disarm all the nuclear weaponry that the Soviet Union left behind in all those scattered silos in countries that are now not part of Mother Russia. I'm far more concerned about those weapons getting into the hands of evil persons than I am about Iran developing new weapons.

Finally, Iran has been offered enriched Uranium for nuclear energy production...and they've refused. They don't want nuclear energy; they want nuclear weapons capability, and they know how to play the political game to stall the U.N. until it is too late.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 02/29/12 02:33 PM


Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh
nope!
It was because he was too Bush!

And his words might even turn out to be prophetic!

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 02/29/12 03:10 PM



Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh
nope!
It was because he was too Bush!

And his words might even turn out to be prophetic!
Realy? you dont think a seriouse presidential candidate was hurt by singing that in front of a live audience? He looked totaly off his rocker insane and in the background we had nutty Palin waiting in the wings. If nothing else Obama should be praised for keeping those two lunatics out of the white house. Just imagine what yet another war will do to our country and economy. Are we going to use the same WMD BS we used against Iran to justify this one? I dont think anyone besides a rube would buy into this a second time.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 02/29/12 06:49 PM




Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh
nope!
It was because he was too Bush!

And his words might even turn out to be prophetic!
Realy? you dont think a seriouse presidential candidate was hurt by singing that in front of a live audience? He looked totaly off his rocker insane and in the background we had nutty Palin waiting in the wings. If nothing else Obama should be praised for keeping those two lunatics out of the white house. Just imagine what yet another war will do to our country and economy. Are we going to use the same WMD BS we used against Iran to justify this one? I dont think anyone besides a rube would buy into this a second time.


Not as much as Obama saying he visited all 57 states so far.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:26 AM





Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh
nope!
It was because he was too Bush!

And his words might even turn out to be prophetic!
Realy? you dont think a seriouse presidential candidate was hurt by singing that in front of a live audience? He looked totaly off his rocker insane and in the background we had nutty Palin waiting in the wings. If nothing else Obama should be praised for keeping those two lunatics out of the white house. Just imagine what yet another war will do to our country and economy. Are we going to use the same WMD BS we used against Iran to justify this one? I dont think anyone besides a rube would buy into this a second time.


Not as much as Obama saying he visited all 57 states so far.
Hu? laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 03/01/12 07:34 AM



Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh


Trust me, that's not what cost McCain the election.


You would have loved him

Iran in shreds, TelAviv a dust bowl, etc etc

no photo
Fri 03/02/12 11:40 AM
Well, like it was said in the movie Goodfellas, "Believe me, when we hit them, they know they are down." America needs to be a bit more tough. You get respect that way.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 03/02/12 01:46 PM

Well, like it was said in the movie Goodfellas, "Believe me, when we hit them, they know they are down." America needs to be a bit more tough. You get respect that way.


:thumbsup: I like your thinking my friend! :thumbsup:

Lpdon's photo
Fri 03/02/12 01:47 PM




Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomn Iran!
It cost crazy Mcain the electionlaugh


Trust me, that's not what cost McCain the election.


You would have loved him

Iran in shreds, TelAviv a dust bowl, etc etc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

no photo
Fri 03/02/12 02:24 PM

Well, like it was said in the movie Goodfellas, "Believe me, when we hit them, they know they are down." America needs to be a bit more tough. You get respect that way.


that is the exact playground bully mentality. the last thing the world needs is a super power acting like some playground bully