We all hath God's commandments, regardless if one is saved or not, we ALL have God's commandments.

I think she's too far gone. I've witnessed her changing her own words and backpeddling to deny that non-believers have God's law written on their hearts...


I guess this is what happens when someone lets the enemy deceive them...

Cowboy....The scripture says,

He that HATH (HAS) also KEEPETH (KEEPS)....


IF all HATH.... then all would KEEPETH....


Obvioulsy ...not all KEEPETH...because not all HATH .....

That is called free will and disobedience.

This is NOT talking about God's Law written on our hearts...

John 14:23-24
King James Version (KJV)

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.



Seriously MorningSong, do you not check to make sure that what you type aligns with God's Word?

God KNEW we were NOT capable of KEEPING HIS

COMMANDMENTS on our own strength and by our own doing !!!!!!!!


GOD KNEW!!!!


That is WHY God Sent us a Saviour...His Only Begotten Son


Jesus Christ !!!!



And WHEN WE ACCEPT THIS FREE GIFT OF GRACE GIVEN US

( by believing and asking Jesus into our hearts ),

we now become BORN AGAIN......and God ALSO NOW gives us a

HELPER ( GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ),Who Comes in and INDWELLS

the believer now.....and HELPS AND ENABLES a Born again

believer to be ABLE to KEEP and OBEY God's Commandments Now !!!!.


See now?

..details, details..

Always stuck in the details.

If it is as cut and dry as you proclaim MorningSong, let me ask you a question.

If and when a person(s) does as you state and all the knowledge is directly given to him/her through the holy spirit. Why then is there so many different denominations? Why so much disagreeing on exactly what the scriptures are proclaiming and what God wants?

Yup, but they miss these details...


1 Timothy 1:3-7
New International Version (NIV)

Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

AND


Titus 3:8-11
New International Version (NIV)

8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

MorningSong, the Holy Spirit indwells in us all. Weather they are a believer or a none believer. Some listen to God, some don't. Some see God, some ignore him. But nevertheless he is there. He will forsake no one.

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the holy spirit dwells inside of you?

He did not tell us know ye not that the saved are temples of God... no. He said YOU are the temple of God.

I can hear my old pastor in the background now..

"That's the Devil's work boy."

What a schizo..
..meh, maybe he was right? o.O

Cowboy...People in their born again christian walk,

are all at different levels of growth and maturity..all begin

as babes in Christ, aand mature and grow into adults as
they continue to grow....

but some also are disobedient children...and refuse to get out of the nursery....and God then has to chatise them...


but ALSO...not everyone who says he/she is a christian , is

actually born again...and therefote, just has some religion

still, and not Relationship yet with God.


And of course, you also the enemy coming in ....trying to

create confusion and distort the gospel.


But when one is truly born again ,one has The Holy Spirit

Indwelling him now....but all believers will still be at

different levels of growth..and that is fine..as long as they

are believers, God will help them to grow up...and come together

in One Accord as One Body in Christ.

Cowboy...People in their born again christian walk,

are all at different levels of growth and maturity...all begin

as babes in Christ, and mature and grow into adults as


they continue to grow....

but some also are disobedient children...and refuse to get out

of the nursery....and God then has to chastise them...


but ALSO...not everyone who says he/she is a christian , is

actually born again...and therefote, just has some religion

still, and not Relationship yet with God.


And of course, you also the enemy coming in ....trying to

create confusion and always trying to distort the gospel.


But when one is truly born again ,one has The Holy Spirit

Indwelling him now....but regardless ,all believers will still

be at different levels of growth and maturity....and that is

fine....and as long as they are believers, God will help them

to grow up...and come together in One Accord as One Body in

Christ.

lol that reminds me of "The Waterboy".

Girls are the devil Boby

lol.

Different levels of growth does not mean one believes this, but this person doesn't he believes such and such.


Then what denomination has it 100% right? Who's belief is the absolute truth?

And you claim they will come together in one accord as one body in Christ... then why are there still so many different denominations?

All those different denominations AGREE

ON THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE .

(NOT talking about cults who just CLAIM to be christian, but

do NOT believe in and follow all the basic fundamental

truths of the bible AT ALL !!!!) .


But the mainline denominations and non-denominations as well,

ALL believe in and follow the Basic Fundamental Truths of

the Bible.....they only disagree on MINOR less important

stuff....which is fine.


Diversity is fine....as long as diversity among believers is

NOT distorting and TWISTING the Truth of God's Holy Word

( which is found in that book called The Bible ).

How can you say that? What is a "minor less important" stuff?


James 2:10


10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

There is no "You better do this or else" and a "yeeeeeeeeaaaaaah, if you want to" sets of laws. Any and all laws Jesus has given us is to be kept. There is no such thing as a small sin and a big sin. All sin is equal and forgivable except the one sin of denying the lord thy God. Every and all other sins are just as potent as another.

And the reason that is unforgivable is because if one denys Jesus as Lord, they are not seeking forgiveness. If they are not seeking forgiveness, then they will not receive it for again they were not seeking it in the first place.

C'mon Pan, you ought know better than that. We all ought know better than that. Think about that for a minute or two. I mean, your a competent fellow. Agreement with another's actions is not required in order to confidently say that those actions were not rejected by the heart of the one who performed them. I mean, we know that Hitler set out to intentionally and deliberately maim and slaughter multitudes of other humans, and continued doing so until he was forcably stopped. Now given that bit of knowledge, what possible reason is there to deny that Hitler's heart had not rejected those actions?

You claimed, as clearly quoted above, that the criterion for knowing which scriptures are divinely inspired and which are not is - and I quote...

"God's Law" is written on the hearts of all men. So, you test it and if your "heart" rejects it, then you know the answer.

Now, I'm saying that that is a highly contentious claim on it's own. There are numerous reasonable counter-arguments and adequate examples which clearly show that a person's conscience is utterly inadequate for determining what is best, let alone for determining what constitutes being "divinely inspired" bits of scripture. The point being that one's own conscience is not necessarily a reliable guide for anything at all, for it is s/he who keeps it satisfied. The example(Hitler) was simply driving that point home.



Most of this is irrelevant to the point being made, and none of it qualifies as an answer to the pertinent questions being asked. Hitler's actions speak for themselves. It is quite clear that he did what he thought was the best thing to do. He set that out with words in several different forms, created a virtual propaganda machine in order to get his thought/belief on these matters into the mind of the German public, and his heart(conscience) obviously did not reject those ideas. That is the point. Now, what I've argued here clearly shows that your claim is not necessarily true. Good reason tells us that that criterion is inadequate. So...

What criterion is adequate in order for us to know which scriptures are divinely inspired and which ones are not when they conflict with one another?



Why talk about things that do not matter? My religious beliefs, or lack thereof, have no bearing whatsoever upon the question being asked, nor the answer.

I'm making a point above that I suspect has not been grasped. It is in regards to what is first required in order for judgment to even happen. What I mean to say is that when one judges that this or that is or is not the case - whichever it may be - one always does so based upon that which is already believed. The same holds for judging scripture.



This does not seem like it is good reason to reject the following scripture concerning Hades.

What makes you believe that 1. this qualifies as a "secretly introduced" scenario - it seems rather blatantly obvious to me, and 2. that the first verse is the one that is divinely inspired to begin with?

I mean, if we suppose that some of the scripture is false, then it very well could be the case that any part of it could have been carefully put there just as easily as any other. In order to deceive the reader and lead them to believe that they ought disregard the mention of Hades, the deceiver could have very well placed that verse there for reasons unbeknownst to you. For instance, if the mention of Hades has some vital importance, then surely the enemy would want that to go unnoticed. If that is the case, then the enemy has succeeded. How do you know that that is not the case?

I see no adequate reason given in order to confidently reject one set of verses over another. The undivine determining the divine, how exactly is that even possible?



The Bible tells us lots of things, many of which contradict you're claims. I'm still wondering why you believe that you can tell which parts to believe and which parts to reject.



So human thought determines what is divine?