Yes I heard. And that's why I was asking if it is women's fault.

We would know, eh Charles?

I think it boils down to selfishness..

Any able bodied person, whether it be a man or woman, should feel obligated to help people as long as they feel it is safe for them to do so.

Not everyone feels that way.

Karma Niyama has a way of sorting that out..

And I think it's easy for us, who weren't in danger on that ship, to say that everyone should be helping others out. But I don't think we can assume we'd do what we feel we should do if we were put in the same position.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

I dont blame anyone, the real me today, Is not a bad person, I raise my daughter by myself work two jobs, I am not mean or disrectful to anyone, the today me i am describing pertains only the way I view myself, I have been so hurt that I refuse to let anyone close so it wont happen again. Thats not truely who I want to be. I truely feel happier when I can give myself to someone, so if thats bad I apoligize.

agreed, Sorry,

I don't think it's fair to blame it on anyone.

200 years ago, a boy became a man at his father's side, while they both worked hard in the field or some craft. Since the industrial revolution, boys have to learn to be men from their friends or their mother or by themselves, because their father is at work all day or came home tired and wants to be left alone.

I agree. I would love to be able to believe that I would have been helping to save people, but I don't think you can truly know yourself until you have walked through the fire and come out the other side.

Or as the fictional dictator from Firefly put it "Live with a man 40 years. Share his house, his meals. Speak on every subject. Then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano's edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man."

Wow, I hadnt thought of that. That's a good point.

Sorry, don't have a penis, can't relate.

Huh, there's a requirement for watching porn? You learn something new every day.

It seems so. Well nowadays.

i dated a guy once who was nothing BUT chivalrous. he was over dramatic in opening ALL the doors- I felt like, ok Im Princess Di today. intersting feeling...also felt a little handicapped.
When he pulled out my chair, saved the last portions for me, and served me my food on my plate it did cross my mind...that this is obviously not everyday behaviour so why is going through the motions? To impress me? Why to impress me, does he want sex or does he want to be in a relationship with me...if he wouldn't make it so formal I wouldnt have felt so uncomfortable and awkward.
I'd rather you be REAL, if its convenient then be polite but do it because you are a sincere individual and your doing it because youd do that for anyone. But impress me with being down to earth and showing genuine interest in WHO I am not WHAT I am.
And don't test me on a date. If you must at least dont make it obvious. It kind of pisses me off.

I'm an angel.

The 'natural' order....
men have an instinct to protect women
women have an instinct to protect children.

It's not women's fault if chivalry is dead...
it's the interpretation of society of what the
women's movement was about.

In the case of the cruise liner thing, I would imagine that it would be difficult to remember chivalry in a life or death situation...panic sets in and the fight or fight thing goes into effect. I can’t imagine what those people went through as that liner started to sink.

I hate to say this, but if I were in that situation...being totally honest, I think I would be looking out for me and mine and getting off the ship and that’s about all that would be going through my head.

In everyday situations, I don’t think chivalry is dead...IMO, it’s becoming a dying art but it’s not totally dead.

I see my reputation is still in tact on this site.

in all fairness, i was laughing at the "truth" part of that