That's the thing, it's NOT about safety. They just masquerade it as being about that, when it's just an excuse to justify their invading our rights and privacies. They DON'T CARE about us, people need to wake up and start to realize that.

what makes people think they have a monopoly on 'caring' and that the whole 'system' and everyone in it or in authority of anykind doesnt have the same potential and capacity to care?

it just amazes me


some people dont care, some people do, paranoia believes everyone is in the first category, naivity believes everyone is in the latter,,,

Amen Kleisto , u tell them bro !!

Amen Kleisto , u tell them bro !! Some people just will not or cannot see whats in front of them.!

I'm not saying everyone is bad, or has bad intentions, cause some people may think they are doing what's best or doing the right things, and be unaware of the bigger agendas. Even those that are may think it's the right thing, but it still is not.

The system as it stands, regardless of individual intentions is NOT set up in our best interests. That's the plain fact of the matter. People may not like it, people may not want to hear it, but it changes nothing about what is.

It is all tailored to certain agendas, has been for a long long time. If people decide not to go along with them, they tend to be weeded out fairly quickly in favor of those who will. It's the reason Ron Paul gets so much criticism, cause he's one of the few who refuses to go along with the game. Thus he is ostracized.

The system is very heavily controlled in this manner. You either are with them or against them basically, and if you're against them you're not likely to win.

define 'win'

As in change the system for the better, they, meaning those who control how things are run here, don't want that. Kennedy was shot cause he tried. It goes against their agendas.

well, I will agree to disagree

like anything in life, its not made to be EASY, but change can happen , and it can happen for the better

(see emancipation, desegregation, civil rights,,,etc,,)


if people dont defeat themself by repeating that it cant be done,,,,

I think we defeat ourselves more by doing nothing and thinking they have their best interests in mind when they don't. By allowing them such unrestrained power, we make our own beds. We didn't get to where we are now overnight it was a slow process, so slow we didn't even realize it was happening. And now that some do, it's almost too late, cause like the frog in a slowly heating pot of water, we are cooked.

its a contradiction in motives

one sentence says we should do something , and another says there is nothing we can do,,,,

cant have it both ways


if they are truly so all powerful and uncaring, than nothing we did would matter

if we could do something that makes a difference, than we have always been able to make a difference, and Im sure we have and do succeed on more than one occasion,,,because its not some all powerful conspiracy of the elites,,,

It wasa personal attack.

oh, I see

some people are pigs though, regardless of their occupation or lack of an occupation

I just wanted a clarification before assuming,,lol


I have been aided by fine officers and harassed by 'pigs', but thats a character call and not a description of their job title,, as some use it,,,

As long as we keep playing their game, than nothing we do within it does. Our votes don't matter, our views on what they're doing don't matter, none of it matters except their will. Until we quit going along with them, this will not change. We give them their power by not using ours.

THEY = a portion of us

equally human, equally capable of good, bad, caring and selfishness

their system = our system, open to our votes, our activism,


I find the all is lost and everyone is out to get us promoters as sad as the everyone loves us and the world is peace and harmony and the us vs them promoters,,

but whatever , we cant choose the glasses others use to see the world...

Guys,

Please keep the personal attacks/insults off of the forum boards.

Thanks,
Mark