John I think you are going to have to unpack your position a LOT more for us bud.

Just saying . . . read plato . . . doesn't really do the topic justice.

It is really quite simple. Every environmental acquisition system of a living organism is responsible for a product.

We do not say that the processes used to render that product is the product that it is to render. Not pleasure, not pain, but a product that maintains and promotes life, or what a wise man once said, "to have life and to have it more abundantly."

The human mind is responsible for the product of human action that maintains and promotes the life of the body. If love is a good, and I am sure it is, then it is not possible for it to be emotion, We choose what we do with emotion, we do not do it for emotion.

Therefore, love is not what you feel, but what you do.

Simply put, every environmental acquisition system is craft based.

Man, because we are not fully developed yet, imagines that his body serves him, he does not see himself as a working member of a life form with a job to do towards the life of his own body.

How would you know what a rock or blade of grass is aware of?

If you don't love yourself you can't love anyone else. Relation to self is everything because everything is self.

Love itself is NOT "what you do."

Love comes before intention to act.

Feelings and emotions are not the same thing.

Love at its core, is the prime cause. It is the creative force of the universe.

I am somewhat familiar with the usage of the term environmental acquisition in computer programming. I however have never heard of it used in the sense of human cognition.

I think it is using terms like this that you will have to unpack YOUR meaning for . . .

The Will is the soul.

Yea that really gets us further in our understanding . . . lets use a word like soul to help describe a word like will . . . .

/Sarcasm off

RE: environmental acquisition

Simplifying the universe one can simply say that the battle is a battle for energy.

The universe is energy. Everything is energy. The acquisition is for energy. The environment is energy.

The big fish eats the little fish.

All movement and all events involve an exchange or acquisition of energy.

All balance and order is about energy.

An environmental acquisition system of a living organism is that system of an organism which must acquire something from the environment, process that which it has acquired for a product that maintains and promotes the life of that organism.


1) The digestive system.
2) The respiratory system.
3) The ocular system.
4) The vestibular system.
5) The manipulative system.
6) The procreative system.
7) The judgmental system.

As some early Greeks discovered, these are divided into two classes. One class are those that abstract a things form, and disregards that things material difference, and the other abstracts a things material difference and discards its form. Each must then supply the missing element to construct something that maintains and promotes the life of that organism.

Two-Element Metaphysics.

Prime cause as in the first cause . . . as in nothing was before, as in you think love existed before mind?

Yea, not following that at all.

Love is the joy of being.

Yes. Mind is a tool or environment for the purpose of creating order.
Love is energy. Creative energy. Prime cause.

It hard to find another word that one might understand.

Soul is a container... (like mind is) for a universe.

A person is a universe.

I have really never tried to dry my hair in a microwave over before.

People use the term love to describe how they feel or in terms of human consciousness. They cannot comprehend the force that is prime cause and there is probably no word for it other than energy.

Creative energy = prime cause.

Love is energy.

"Human love" is that energy and is the will to live and reproduce and thrive.

It is the will to exist.

Word soup. Lets not equivocate, it really doesn't lead to understanding.

Saying love is energy removes the depth of the emotion, and tosses away its real world usage and decides arbitrarily to use your own meaning instead. We have been down this road countless times and it does not add anything to the discussion.




I imagine you believe you have set up a premise and then followed along to your conclusion logically.

However I would argue you have done no such thing. You have arbitrarily claimed love is "all things two people do together to maintain and promote life" : which includes MANY things that would not fall under the normal usage of the word love. ie you need to do a better job of explaining why all things a person does to promote life is love. To me from what little you have explained it seems a generic and very general usage that tosses away any finer distinctions of human emotion.

I agree that the products (physical actions) of the human mind are expressed in terms of will, but this is obvious, and really oversimplifies what goes on prior to any actions being taken by the individual based on that will.

The will to do something is created internally by many cognitive processes which include belief, and one hopes logic, and rational thought, but that is not requisite.

Then the only thing you are really concerned with is human love. That is, the way in which the human mind and consciousness interpret the prime force of all things.

It is like describing the ocean by its surface only.

The depth of the emotions of love is the primal desire to exist.

If you want to discuss only human love and human understanding of love that's fine. But if you want to know what it is in the grand scheme of all that exists you will have to dig deeper.

Paraphrasing: Freud: Love is the over infatuation with the eroticized object. Fromm: Love is the active concern oveer the growth and well-being of that which is loved. J. Geils: Love stinks.