"Any one who will trade freedom for security deserves neither" Ben Franklin

And, yet, so many are willing to do just that. Not just willing, but they are demanding it. The cops do what they do because they are told that is what is expected of them. The problem is much higher up than your average street cop.

Ok News on the races.

I wont a hundred and twenty five on a side board drawing my horses didnt win.

I had two of the five last numbers on the board and was willing to split the two fifty four ways being I had two.

One guy didnt wish to split and we drew again I was down to one ticket and three others again I offerd to split and survived the next drawing.

I offered to split again and one guy refused he was the the next one out.

Me and the last guy split two fifty.

I took my winnings and lost fourty on the side races.

For the last race they auctioned off a horse I won a bid for twenty five on one of the ten horses.

I named it YellowRose.

It was a fiesty beast with a massive heaving hind end. Foaming at the mouth and stomping its feet eager to run. Its ears seemed to be chewed up like an old tom cat its eyes two black empty sockets focused on the finish line like a true champion.

It came in Last place.
still came out 60 bucks ahead and got laid and drunk.

The only thing that will be questioned in court is the actual stop(Why he was stopped in the first place). The takedown was clean, the guy was resisting and people can get hurt by a basic takedown(which is NOT an abuse of force) and it sometimes does happen.

I hope this thread stays alive untill all the facts come out.

I am looking forward to some people looking damn foolish.

Me too. I know these laws really well as this is the job I do on a daily basis and I am damn good at my job. I have NEVER been sued, questioned about abuse of force or even had the HINT of that on me or ANYONE I have trained.

A 'basic' appendectomy usually goes as planned, but if the doctor screws up and the patient gets hurt (or worse) do you think an "OOPS!" makes it all good?

$hit happens, again I would have handled this WHOLE situation differantly as I rarely ever put a shoplifter in handcuffs, but $hit hapens when you take someone to the ground they can get hurt etc, it happens. Now if it found this guy didn't commit a crime then there could be a REAL problem here but no one knows all the facts yet.............

Nothing funny about that. At least I collect a paycheck and not a welfare check like most people now days.

I am glad all I have to do is run four robot fed finish lathes and not blow my own horn and go home after eight hours and know my medical, pension and family are secure and I dont have to pretend to be an applogist for a creeping police state.

Hey thanks for keeping those prices down anyhow, we all know what a huge crime shoplifting is.

And all that I have to do is work on crapily designed cars in order to get an extra 100,000 miles more out of them than billions of $ and thousands of engineers planned on.

Ya, it's so minor that i've been jumped, stabbed, almost run over, had a gun pulled on me and about 75% of of the people we catch are wanted for another more serious offense.

You must love all that excitement. Please keep up the good work have to admire someone who is dedicated to their work. I hope your compensated I know retail is traditionaly one of the lowest paying jobs around.

Actually I hate that part of it and I hate going hands on. I like the investigating part of it and taking the employees out for large thefts and also getting the mental edge over the shopliters and talking them back into the office rather then dragging them back.

Oh yeah, I am paid VERY nicely

Thats good I dated a loss prevention manager she had only five stores but had to work insane hours so at worked out to a little over minimum wage considering she worked allmost 7 days a week, to each their own I guesse,.

I have 7 stores in my market all in different cities and always traveling between them.

I actually like the hours and dont mind my guys and stores caling me for advice etc.

She must have been underpaid. Most Lp managers I know make VERY good money. One of them after bonuses makes six figures a year.