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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... I wasn't speaking of a moral spectrum so wrong as usual. 
LOL! So when you mentioned white supremacists and terrorists you weren't speaking of morality??? You spoke of the Bible's ability to be a moral guide, then used examples, and now you deny speaking about the "moral spectrum"??? Is lying moral to you? |
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... But Peter your thinking is flawed,... and not obvious at all. If it required GOOD interpretations to be a moral GUIDE, then who is the GUIDE? The book, or the person who is making the GOOD interpretations. I've argued this many times before. If the reader of the Bible needs to be a good moral person in order to come away from having read the Bible with good morals, then from whence did those good morals come? The book? Or the reader? Such highly moral readers probably could have just sat down and wrote their own book of morals and the result would have been "Good". On the other hand if all these nasty people as Dragoness points out are coming away from the same book with horrible moral values, then clearly the book isn't doing a reliable job of teaching people good moral values. In short, all this shows is the book itself it utterly irrelevant in all cases. Nobody is getting their moral values from this book. They are putting their own sense of mortality onto the book and using the book to support their sense of 'morality' or 'immorality'. And there can be no denying that the book can indeed be used to support those types of immoral behaviors that Dragoness pointed out. |
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spiritual laws in effect...... God can NEVER go against his Word or Who He is..... For not only is God a God of Love and Mercy... but God is also a JUST God. also.... God's Timing is Always Perfect. God's timing is not in question. However humans see events in their own time... So when 'God's' timing hits perfect... Most don't see it. Till much time after the event. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Wed 11/30/11 08:04 PM
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... I wasn't speaking of a moral spectrum so wrong as usual.
LOL! So when you mentioned white supremacists and terrorists you weren't speaking of morality??? You spoke of the Bible's ability to be a moral guide, then used examples, and now you deny speaking about the "moral spectrum"??? Is lying moral to you? No I was not referring to the misguided as morally wrong. So who does that make a liar now? |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Wed 11/30/11 08:06 PM
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If we are to believe extraterrestrial llife to have superior intelligence, IM sure they could find all nature of man in the examples of the bible. There is nothing there that isnt or hasnt been true of mankind,, good and bad, human nature is not simple it is complex humans are not contradictory , they just have behaved differently at different times, in different situations, and they have adapted to different cultures and I would imagine anyone/anything of above average intelligence could figure that out fairly easily. Were you addressing my post? You misread it. I did not speak of the contradictory nature of man at all. you mentioned aliens, and the bible not being a good guide because of its being 'contradictory' Im pointing out the bible as an excellent resource for the capacity of man throughout mankinds history, whether good or bad, and that I think an alien could figure it out without feeling too confused,,, If an entity who knew nothing of man read the bible, they would annihilate the whole species of humans from the pure "evil" of it. We know your blind belief in it though so no need to defend yourself here. |
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... I wasn't speaking of a moral spectrum so wrong as usual.
LOL! So when you mentioned white supremacists and terrorists you weren't speaking of morality??? You spoke of the Bible's ability to be a moral guide, then used examples, and now you deny speaking about the "moral spectrum"??? Is lying moral to you? No I was not referring to the misguided as morally wrong. So who does that make a liar now? You... Twice... |
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... I wasn't speaking of a moral spectrum so wrong as usual.
LOL! So when you mentioned white supremacists and terrorists you weren't speaking of morality??? You spoke of the Bible's ability to be a moral guide, then used examples, and now you deny speaking about the "moral spectrum"??? Is lying moral to you? No I was not referring to the misguided as morally wrong. So who does that make a liar now? You... Twice... Not. I have been very clear and honest with my answers. |
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... But Peter your thinking is flawed,... and not obvious at all. If it required GOOD interpretations to be a moral GUIDE, then who is the GUIDE? The book, or the person who is making the GOOD interpretations. I've argued this many times before. If the reader of the Bible needs to be a good moral person in order to come away from having read the Bible with good morals, then from whence did those good morals come? The book? Or the reader? Such highly moral readers probably could have just sat down and wrote their own book of morals and the result would have been "Good". On the other hand if all these nasty people as Dragoness points out are coming away from the same book with horrible moral values, then clearly the book isn't doing a reliable job of teaching people good moral values. In short, all this shows is the book itself it utterly irrelevant in all cases. Nobody is getting their moral values from this book. They are putting their own sense of mortality onto the book and using the book to support their sense of 'morality' or 'immorality'. And there can be no denying that the book can indeed be used to support those types of immoral behaviors that Dragoness pointed out. agreed except I wasn't using morality as the key word for those misguided by their experience in the bible or using the bible to support their misguided choices in life. I cannot judge another's morality because I cannot know why they do what they do. I can determine it as misguided somehow, dangerous definitely, anti human for sure, but morality is pretty personal so it is almost impossible for others to determine it. Even if the religious believe they can, they are misguided  probably by that "evil' book of theirs. 
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Sadly, the bible wouldn't be a good moral guide for humans for aliens who know nothing of humans. Reason being that it is so contradictory and confusing. Interpretation can be at both ends of the spectrum. White supremacists use it to justify their sickness. Fundamentalists use it to justify their sickness. Prejudice people use it to justify their perpetration of prejudice ie homosexuals. Terrorists use it to perpetrate their terror. Misogynists use it to continue to treat women as inferior and substandard to man. Political leaders use it to "put the fear of god" into the gullible members of society to push legislation not good for most of society. Etc... Sadly (not really), your bolded words above state that it can be a good moral guide, just pointing out the obvious.... But Peter your thinking is flawed,... and not obvious at all. If it required GOOD interpretations to be a moral GUIDE, then who is the GUIDE? The book, or the person who is making the GOOD interpretations. I've argued this many times before. If the reader of the Bible needs to be a good moral person in order to come away from having read the Bible with good morals, then from whence did those good morals come? The book? Or the reader? Such highly moral readers probably could have just sat down and wrote their own book of morals and the result would have been "Good". On the other hand if all these nasty people as Dragoness points out are coming away from the same book with horrible moral values, then clearly the book isn't doing a reliable job of teaching people good moral values. In short, all this shows is the book itself it utterly irrelevant in all cases. Nobody is getting their moral values from this book. They are putting their own sense of mortality onto the book and using the book to support their sense of 'morality' or 'immorality'. And there can be no denying that the book can indeed be used to support those types of immoral behaviors that Dragoness pointed out. The bolded words above are of utmost importance in your "interpretation" of the Bible... I see the "good" moral values taught and you see the "bad" morals... So, are you saying that I'm highly moral and you are not??? |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Wed 11/30/11 08:32 PM
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And there can be no denying that the book can indeed be used to support those types of immoral behaviors that Dragoness pointed out. <sarcasm> She wasn't calling those behaviors "immoral"... </sarcasm> 
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You know the aliens would see a flicker of hope in the life of Jesus but when they looked for his followers they wouldn't find any who live like him or truly appreciate his words. Instead they would find the death penalty hailing, homosexual persecuting, women misusing, poor abusing, charitibleless, etc... and then they would annihilate the whole human race.
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Lord, I want to be a Christian in my heart, in my heart,
Lord, I want to be a Christian in my heart, in my heart. In my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be a Christian in my heart, in my heart. Lord, I want to be more loving in my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be more loving in my heart, in my heart. In my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be more loving in my heart, in my heart. Lord, I want to be more holy in my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be more holy in my heart, in my heart. In my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be more holy in my heart, in my heart. Lord, I want to be like Jesus in my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be like Jesus in my heart, in my heart. In my heart, in my heart, Lord, I want to be like Jesus in my heart, in my heart. 
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And there can be no denying that the book can indeed be used to support those types of immoral behaviors that Dragoness pointed out. Peter Pan wrote: <sarcasm> She wasn't calling those behaviors "immoral"... </sarcasm> Where did I say that she did? I was the one that called them "immoral". Dragoness merely pointed to them. Try reading my post again. |
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You know the aliens would see a flicker of hope in the life of Jesus but when they looked for his followers they wouldn't find any who live like him or truly appreciate his words. Instead they would find the death penalty hailing, homosexual persecuting, women misusing, poor abusing, charitibleless, etc... and then they would annihilate the whole human race. Truly. 
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You know the aliens would see a flicker of hope in the life of Jesus but when they looked for his followers they wouldn't find any who live like him or truly appreciate his words. Instead they would find the death penalty hailing, homosexual persecuting, women misusing, poor abusing, charitibleless, etc... and then they would annihilate the whole human race. unless, they were superior to humans and their all or nothing desire for destruction, and chose not to end all the positive potential that exists within our species,,, |
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Within the text of Scripture is something that is repeated a few times, that it is sealed to man's understanding.
I think that is one of the most important messages it has, It is also written that some day those seals would be loosened. The books is about judgment, and is sealed not by magic, but by using the principles of reasoning to test the reader. If we are to learn judgment, I don't think there is any attempt to encourage anyone to find someone or something else to think, act, or live for them. |
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how someone views the world, tells us more about that someone, than it does about the world
forget who said it, or even if thats exactly right, but it seems to be the truth people 'see' through their own personal issues and perceptions, and their visions are usually a reflection more of themself than what is in front of their eyes,,, |
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