I guess I am really in the dark about these things. I hear a lot about and involve myself a lot in discussion re: the pro choice/ pro-life debate but are people/religious groups really that much against contraceptives or birth control of any kinda other than abstinence, withdraw and the ryhthm methods???
not sure how to post links hope this works

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/opinion/sunday/a-new-battle-over-contraception.html

I have a feeling this will be a a hot-point topic and will do my best to keep up...but will certainly read all responses...in an effort to understand.

edited to add abstinence..

I dont think the opposition here is about being 'against' contraception as it is mandating that conraception be covered by insurance. I kind of see their point, but I dont have a vested interest.

Who knows, if they lose, perhaps we can push to mandate that insurance covers other electives like plastic surgery and cosmetic surgery....lol

why else would they be against it being covered if they were not ideologically against it?
Why can they not see the benefit of contraceptives being readily available?
Especially those who are so adamantly 'pro-life'

because its a mandate

Im not opposed to plastic surgery, but it would be a miscarriage if insurance companies were suddenly MANDATED to cover it,,,

contraceptive is available, just not for free to those who can pay for it, its available in just about every gas station and drug store in america actually

really? you can get the pill or the shot at the gas station...wow I am really behind the times...
I had a feeling that wasn't really a joke on your part about the plastic surgery...to compare elective plastic surgury to reliable birth control methods that women have the control over...is just silly...IMO.

I will explain it then. Contraception is more than just in pill form. Sex requires TWO people (at least potentially baby producing sex) , one has to be a MALE. there are CONDOMS available everywhere for people who wish to have sex. There is the law that absolutely supports a womans right to say NO which precedes her right to refuse without protection.

No condom, no sex. very easy contraception.

using contraception is ELECTIVE, unless its for medical reasons, in which case I imagine it would be covered

when its strictly for preventive measure, of something we already have control over,, its an ELECTIVE

just like choosing we would rather have bigger boobs or a slimmer nose, choosing to have sex without the 'risk' of pregnancy, is likewise more elective than it is medically necessary,,,

I started a birth control thread a while ago and was surprised at the people who looked down on women who used the pill. Apparently they thought of those women as slutty. So there are lots of people who don't see the need for that type of birth control to be readily available.

thats probably true too

then there are those who see a difference between readily available and free,,,or mandated on someone elses dollar...

I bet some of those same people are against abortion, too.

Over population and unwanted pregnancies are a cancer on this planet and reliable, available, and affordable contraception is the only cure.

not the only 'cure'

another is self control

and contraception is very affordable , as little as fifty cent per condom

we spend more stuffing our face everyday in drive thrus than we spend on preventing the so called 'cancer' we keep insisting others mandate protection for,,,

Self control? Do you really expect people to not have sex?

And are you telling us condoms prevent pregnancy 100% if the time no matter what?

do you really believe they cant?

and do you think the pill prevents pregnancy 100% of the time , or the equally awful 'cancer' of STDS even 1% of the time?

i can't believe your actually arguing with that...

You can get contraceptives from governmental health departments for free.......condoms, birth control etc. Insurance does cover oral contraceptives, injectables, and inserts.

not all insurance covers the pill, and I dont think it should be a mandate

you would still have insurance which covered the pill though, if thats the coverage you chose


you can usually get free contraception from gov agencies though,,,

I am not opposing the pill. Im just opposing it be a MANDATE for coverage.

I'm not saying using condoms is bad at all. Obviously it's a good idea to use them. I just think arguing against the use of the pill because condoms are available is silly.

I might point out that condoms are only about 78% effective, as concerned with birth control. Me personally, I'd like to have more that one base covered in that situation.

But if you ask msharmony condoms are all that's needed!

I agree, though. A couple forms of birth control us not a bad idea at all.