I agree

Basically what you're saying is anyone having sex (except for procreation) is doing so because of underlying issues.

no, its not what Im saying.

I said heterosexuals and homosexuals sometimes use sex because of underlying issues

heterosexuals, however, also use it to become 'one' with their partner the way their bodies are designed to do so,,,

well as you seem like a person who is very humane in your attitudes that does not surprise me. we are called, I feel, to love each other as brothers (or sisters) even if we aren't all the same

You don't think even heterosexual people use their bodies for physical and sexual satisfaction? Do you think that's acceptable at any time?

You also said that it isn't acceptable to use their bodies for physical and sexual satisfaction.

well my underlying issue better be cute


and have good hands

yes, it is acceptable to do so in the way the body was DESIGNED to,,,with the parts that FIT

in a way that requires true INTIMACY and BONDING (eye contact)

I have known homosexual couples who very clearly loved each other

I don't like to think about their bedroom ball dancing, but I would not presume to judge either

just to jump in with my.02

two people I love most in the world are also homosexual
I likewise dont like to think about their bedroom ball dancing

I do believe it to be unhealthy and unclean and unnatural , but I dont consider it to be anything that defines them or undermines what wonderful people they are,,

How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"?

Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them?

I guess that is where I get a little confused. I can't imagine love being unclean or unhealthy and the intimacy of sex is the expression of love that 2 people have for each other

this is where I get a little confused...I do think there is a difference between a couple in love and random homosexual acts tho...just like I would not find random heterosexual acts as healthy choices

What is true intimacy to you? And why is it just available to heterosexuals?

so a penis inside a vagina is the only thing that's okay.
why limit your pleasure?
haha.

I feel its unclean (being in the area where FECES is disposed of)
I feel it is unclean (injesting fluids from the area where urine is disposed of)

I feel it is unhealthy (rupturing and tearing internal walls that were meant to push OUT, not take in)

I feel it is unhealthy (licking what may essentially be bacteria and germs from urine and feces)

I feel it is NOT intimate (very little eye to eye contact involved, about as mutually DETACHED as two can be)

BUT, That being explained

it doesnt matter, I Cant control what people do to their bodies or others bodies with 'consent'

I dont and wont approve of everything that one can do to themself or others with 'consent'

and my opinion is my own thing, just like their sexual activity is theres

no use continuing to repeat the same explanations and opinions over and over


If some pretty little girl grows up to think daddy is the bees knees and wants to share her bed and life with him , with his consent

that will be their business, but I wont feel the least bit bad about saying it concerns me,,,,

What on earth does incest have to do with this? And why are you comparing it to homosexuality?!

because of the notion that all that should matter is whether two people are adults who 'consent' and love each other

adult incest would fall under that category

i wonder what your thoughts are on strap ons.
but anyways,
heterosexual couples participate in all of the above too.
they must have underlying issues as well then, no?
damn all these sexual acts used for pleasure.
D:

We're still talking about two consenting adults having sex. Not two relatives. You're comparing very different things.

I've never understood people who don't like sex for pleasure.