Thanks. S1owhand seems to think they are the same. They are not even close.

Of course IFF the universe and everything in it can be described as "God" and IFF there is only one universe and only one God, then that is the only similarity between Pantheism and other one God religions.

The similarity ends there. There is only a single agreement, and that is that there is only one God.

And that may not even be the case.

He means it in the sense that

no matter WHAT people THINK or BELIEVE about God,


GOD STILL REMAINS ONE GOD .

PERIOD.


SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

Perfect example of a mistranslation-by-language structure.

Stated as "Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

COMMA is placed within the sentance to force the statement into an 'acceptable' english sentance.

should be...

Most assuredly I say to you before Abraham, was I am.

i.e Jesus did not SAY he was god with this statement...

He said that god existed before Abraham .

Yet ritual and blind dogma will make those that see not...

continue to see nothing...

for being told a thing is a certian way... (without independant investigation) leaves one blind to the truth.

We don't believe as such from one verse my friend. You have to take the entire bible to fully understand the bible.

Isaiah 7:14
14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
(Notice also who is giving this message. The "LORD" himself..)

Revelation 1:8
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isaiah 48:12
12Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Isaiah 43:10-11
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

MorningSong is correct about how I see it. I see a bigger
picture in which the Pantheist/Abrahamic/Taoist God must
be the same One entity and each of these three monotheistic
viewpoints simply describe God in slightly and insignificantly
different ways.

So everybody should be cool with that.

many lines of sand.

Where is the Gem of these quotes?

as I said Ritual and Dogmas are used to interpret such lines of sand...

Isaiah had the right of it.

God is, Beside god there is no other saviour.

Says not a whit of Jesus (that is but a trickle of sand placed by wishful thinking so that OT and NT have agreement (where none exists).

If you place ANYONE between GOD and MAN you open the door for evil...

the intersessor becomes 'satan' (or does not your book warn of such).

Why would you want to place such an important Prophet as Jesus into the position of 'satan'.

Are you guys allright?

I think you all lost your mind...God is for them who are scared ... who are not confidence of theirselv and needs a navigator for their life...wake up people

What would you know if there was no dogma's in this world?

Dogmatic - characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts

Sounds like a theory to me.

Theory - a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>

And again even in science, a theory is held till it fails to be true. God has never failed to be true for me and many other's. God hasn't even failed with people who don't believe, those people fail to see, that is all.

Howso? What is there to be scared of? The unknown of what happens when we pass away on Earth? What would it really matter? Again, what would their to be scared of? Being scared of something infers some form of harm coming to you. Even if we do just "die" and that's that, what would their to be scared of? After this is done, you won't have any "conscience" thought, so you won't be lonely missing your loved ones, you won't be worried about missing out on anything, ect.

ender443,



That's not true. It is your belief. Your opinion.

God does not "navigate" lives anyway. We navigate our own lives.

In Pantheism, the buck stops with THE INDIVIDUAL as there is no single supreme being navigating the universe. It is a group effort.

It is the responsibility of the individual to do their part.

Wake up yourself.

The idea that there is only one God is THE ONLY SIMILARITY between Pantheism and Christianity.

I'm a pantheist and while I 'might' call this universe "God," I have no way of knowing if there are other separate universes that are completely different and separate from this one, so I am not buying the so-called-fact that there is "only ONE God."

I don't know if there is "only one God."

But s1owhand stated that the God of Abraham (a concept) and the Pantheist God are "identical."

That is absurd. These are NOT identical concepts. Concepts are what they are.

If God created everything Jeannie, it would be mean all universes were created by it no?

Big IFF.

I do not hold that God created anything.

I hold that God was born.

"MANIFESTED."

Just as life manifested out of the oooze of the oceans of the earth, God manifested out of the oooze of dark matter and dark energy.

Sounds good anyway.

What do you base it on?

I base it on logic.

If God "created" the universe, then the question always remains, "Who created the creator?" Who created God? That is a paradox that has no answer.

The only possible (and reasonable) conclusion is that God manifested itself. That is not called creation.

Creation requires two separate things, the creator and that which is created. Two separate things.

Pantheism is about the one whole. It is one thing. There is no creator or creation. There is only the one thing and that one thing is God, which is all that exists.

That thing did not create Itself, it manifested. To manifest is like being born and growing.

**

When a woman gets pregnant she does not "create" a baby. The baby does not "create" itself either. It manifests and grows.

The sperm and the egg come together and the baby manifests and grows all on its own. The woman is not the creator of the baby.

**

For God to be born there had to be three things.

Two things (like sperm and egg) came together and the third thing was the soup (the womb) where growth occurred.

Slowhand..... I think panENtheism (not pantheism)is

what you were referring to earlier in your posts :

.......


.....What is the difference between pantheism and panentheism?......

Panentheists and pantheists share the view that the universe and every natural thing in it is in some sense numinous.

However, pan-en-theos means "all-in-God" - that is, the universe is contained within God, not God in the universe. Panentheists believe in a God who is present in everything but also extends beyond the universe. In other words, God is greater than the universe. Often they also believe that this God has a mind, created the universe, and cares about each of us personally.

Pantheists believe that the universe itself is the prime focus for reverence. They do not believe in personal or creator gods.

............

The link (see below) gives more info on pantheism......but

be forewarned here ...the pantheistic view on christianity

(mentioned in the link below}, is totally INCORRECT...and is

NOT giving the TRUTH about what christianity is all about, at

all.....


and quess what.....that is EXACTLY what false teachers

eveywhere do ,

they twist truth, in order to persuade people to believe a

lie....and turn away from TRUTH.


This is One of the enemies main tactics to ensnare people into

false teachings....and I care about you all here, to be

this honest with you , folks.




Slowhand........although some views of panENtheism sound

similar to christianity ,still BOTH

panthesism AND panentheism are CONTRARY to what the Bible

teaches.


Here is a closer look: at why :



Question: "What is panentheism?"

Answer: Related to Process Theology, panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything). While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe. God is everything in the universe, but God also is greater than the universe. Events and changes in the universe affect and change God. As the universe grows and learns, God also increases in knowledge and being.


Panentheism is most definitely not biblical. In fact, it is extreme heresy that impugns the character of God and makes Him more like a man. God is present everywhere (Psalm 139:7-8), but God is not everything. God knows everything, whether actual or possible (Psalm 139:1-6; Romans 11:33-35). God does not learn because He already has all knowledge. God is “affected” by things that occur in the universe, but only in that sin angers Him and holiness pleases Him. Our actions do not change God or impact His essential being.


The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with panentheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His creation.



gotquestions.org

http://www.pantheism.net/paul/faqs.htm

This is hogwash. Pantheism holds also that God is the supreme
being. Pantheism does not hold that God is merely the effect
but also that God is the source. This is compatible with the
idea that God is unchanging and eternal.



God is not at all human or more human-like in Pantheism. God is
infinite and unknowable in entirety in Pantheism. Since God is
everything God also knows everything in Pantheism. God does not learn in Pantheism God merely "IS" and is unchanging same as for
the God of the bible. So it is just ridiculous to say a pantheistic
God is not biblical. The one pantheistic God is the same as the
one biblical God just described slightly differently.



According to Pantheism, God is holy, sovereign, omnipresent,
omniscient, omnipotent, self-existent, eternal, immutable
and infinite. Perfect! Just the same as the biblical God.

All of these attributes are compatible and present in a view
of a pantheistic God! God is both the creator and the created
in Pantheism and this is also more than mere creation and is
also completely compatible with the God of the bible.

Yes, I agree with this Morningsong.