Topic: Understanding the BIble, no small task
Redykeulous's photo
Wed 10/19/11 08:21 AM

I think of value when I hear 'respect'

it has no connection to 'favoritism' for me as favoritism means placing someone ABOVE others

I respect many people without placing them 'above' others

I can respect what people do or what they accomplish and it translates to respecting the person on some level

but I dont necessarily have FAVORITISM for a person because I am able to respect something about them

there is a difference between respecting accomplishments or opinions and favoring the person who has achieved or expressed them

its kind of like how I view not 'judging'

we are to judge actions and words in order to gauge our own, but we are not to pass a judgment of the 'person' because we know no person completely enough to do so,, only God does


I was about to respond to Miles but I see that the response was made above.

I might just give an example, which also demonstrates what the link in the OP had to share.


The word respect, as defined by Miles, has undergone changes. The example that comes to mind is the first ammendment of the Bill of rights: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Using msharmony's explanation we can understand that in this case respect means to favor over other beleifs.

This example also stands out in support of what the speaker from the OP link is trying to convey - that context is the most important aspect of language interpretation.

Words can produce minor changes within context or they can produce major changes to the point of being opposite of what we might think.

Not every change may effect one's overall belief but knowing that these varaiation exist and can be major, is an important reason to keep an open mind and for those who harbor religious beleifs, faith, without being fundamentally committed to language,is the most important factor in any belief system.

When it comes to religious beliefs, faith should always be kept in 'context' with one's beliefs.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 01:42 PM


I think of value when I hear 'respect'

it has no connection to 'favoritism' for me as favoritism means placing someone ABOVE others

I respect many people without placing them 'above' others

I can respect what people do or what they accomplish and it translates to respecting the person on some level

but I dont necessarily have FAVORITISM for a person because I am able to respect something about them

there is a difference between respecting accomplishments or opinions and favoring the person who has achieved or expressed them

its kind of like how I view not 'judging'

we are to judge actions and words in order to gauge our own, but we are not to pass a judgment of the 'person' because we know no person completely enough to do so,, only God does


I was about to respond to Miles but I see that the response was made above.

I might just give an example, which also demonstrates what the link in the OP had to share.


The word respect, as defined by Miles, has undergone changes. The example that comes to mind is the first ammendment of the Bill of rights: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Using msharmony's explanation we can understand that in this case respect means to favor over other beleifs.

This example also stands out in support of what the speaker from the OP link is trying to convey - that context is the most important aspect of language interpretation.

Words can produce minor changes within context or they can produce major changes to the point of being opposite of what we might think.

Not every change may effect one's overall belief but knowing that these varaiation exist and can be major, is an important reason to keep an open mind and for those who harbor religious beleifs, faith, without being fundamentally committed to language,is the most important factor in any belief system.

When it comes to religious beliefs, faith should always be kept in 'context' with one's beliefs.


I agree with that.

The problem is most people do not understand what living the word is.

to me its like your career. If you want to make the most of it then you are going to learn every thing you can about it.

thats how I define " The Living Word" Yahshua our example to follow.. our mentor, our teacher..Blessings..Miles

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 01:48 PM
Here would be some example where the words have been changes in the original King James KJV

Acts 12:4

4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
KJV

NKJV

Acts 12:4
4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover .
NKJV


Yet tradition will stay with Easter.. when No one ever kept Easter that followed Yahshua from those days..Blessings..Miles

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Wed 10/19/11 02:23 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 10/19/11 02:58 PM
The Word of God.... Powerful .. Rich... and Deep .....


Hebrews 4:12

For the WORD OF GOD is QUICK, and POWERFUL, and SHARPER than any

TWO EDGED SWORD, PIERCING even to the dividing asunder of soul

and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the

THOUGHTS and INTENTS of the HEART.



Psalm 45:3

Gird your sword upon your side, O mighty one; clothe yourself with

splendor and majesty.



Psalm 149:6

May the praise of God be in their mouths and a double-edged sword

in their hands,



Proverbs 5:4

but in the end she is bitter as gall, sharp as a double-edged sword.



Isaiah 49:2

He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand

he hid me; he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his

quiver.



Jeremiah 23:29

"IS NOT MY WORD LIKE FIRE ," declares the LORD, "and like a

HAMMER THAT BREAKS A ROCK IN PIECES?





John 12:48

There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my

WORDS; that very WORD which I spoke will condemn him at the last

day.




Acts 7:38

He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to

him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received LIVING

WORDS TO PASS ON TO US .




Ephesians 5:26

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through

the WORD,



Ephesians 6:17

Take the helmet of salvation and the SWORD of the Spirit, which is

the WORD OF GOD.



1 Thessalonians 2:13

And we also thank God continually because, when you RECEIVED the

WORD OF GOD, which you HEARD from us, you ACCEPTED it NOT as the

word of men, but as it ACTUALLY IS , the WORD OF GOD, which is AT

WORK in you who BELIEVE.



1 Thessalonians 5:23

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.

May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the

coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Hebrews 6:5

who have tasted the GOODNESS of the WORD OF GOD and the powers of

the coming age,



1 Peter 1:23

For you have been BORN AGAIN, not of perishable seed, but of

IMPERISHABLE, through the LIVING and ENDURING WORD OF GOD.



Revelation 1:16

In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a

SHARP DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. His face was like the sun shining in

all its brilliance.



kjv and niv




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Wed 10/19/11 02:44 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 10/19/11 02:52 PM

Here would be some example where the words have been changes in the original King James KJV

Acts 12:4

4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
KJV

NKJV

Acts 12:4
4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover .
NKJV


Yet tradition will stay with Easter.. when No one ever kept Easter that followed Yahshua from those days..Blessings..Miles



But The MEANING of God's Word above, has NOT changed.


The MEANING of God's Word in most translations have NOT changed.

(And for those who HAVE changed God's Word ,as some versions by

false teachings have done, they will NOT stand !!!)



OUR....ALMIGHTY...GOD ...IS...MORE...THAN...

ABLE.... TO...KEEP...WATCH....

OVER ...HIS....HOLY.... WORD !!!


YA THINK?
think

flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou


:heart::heart::heart:











Dragoness's photo
Wed 10/19/11 03:33 PM

This is an interesting article about some of the challenges of accurately interpreting the bible

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-ways-your-bible-tran_b_1007058.html


Besides all of that.

The bible is a book of stories that do not depict one thing or story line because they are written by many different authors at different times in history with different stories to tell.

So the whole thing being one big book of stories it shouldn't be attempted to make it into sense. That is a waste of time and energy.

no photo
Wed 10/19/11 04:44 PM


This is an interesting article about some of the challenges of accurately interpreting the bible

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-ways-your-bible-tran_b_1007058.html


Besides all of that.

The bible is a book of stories that do not depict one thing or story line because they are written by many different authors at different times in history with different stories to tell.

So the whole thing being one big book of stories it shouldn't be attempted to make it into sense. That is a waste of time and energy.




It already makes sense...

It's about oppression and how one should lift everyone else up instead of putting everyone down...



Over-simplified? Yeah, but who cares what I think...




Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 05:46 PM


Here would be some example where the words have been changes in the original King James KJV

Acts 12:4

4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
KJV

NKJV

Acts 12:4
4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover .
NKJV


Yet tradition will stay with Easter.. when No one ever kept Easter that followed Yahshua from those days..Blessings..Miles



But The MEANING of God's Word above, has NOT changed.


The MEANING of God's Word in most translations have NOT changed.

(And for those who HAVE changed God's Word ,as some versions by

false teachings have done, they will NOT stand !!!)



OUR....ALMIGHTY...GOD ...IS...MORE...THAN...

ABLE.... TO...KEEP...WATCH....

OVER ...HIS....HOLY.... WORD !!!


YA THINK?
think

flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou


:heart::heart::heart:



are the churches that keep easter doing the word then?








no photo
Wed 10/19/11 06:24 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 10/19/11 06:31 PM


Jesus dealt with the legalistic religious pharisees

and sadducees even back then.....


and so do we ....even still today.......






:heart::heart::heart:

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 06:35 PM



Jesus dealt with the legalistic religious pharisees

and sadducees even back then.....


and so do we ....even still today.......






:heart::heart::heart:


I agree.. he still is..

but u did not answer my question..

Is Easter Biblical?

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 10/19/11 06:54 PM




Jesus dealt with the legalistic religious pharisees

and sadducees even back then.....


and so do we ....even still today.......






:heart::heart::heart:


I agree.. he still is..

but u did not answer my question..

Is Easter Biblical?


A man made holiday started by the Catholic Church. The word "Easter," only found in the King James Bible, is a mistranslation of "Passover."

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 07:01 PM





Jesus dealt with the legalistic religious pharisees

and sadducees even back then.....


and so do we ....even still today.......






:heart::heart::heart:


I agree.. he still is..

but u did not answer my question..

Is Easter Biblical?


A man made holiday started by the Catholic Church. The word "Easter," only found in the King James Bible, is a mistranslation of "Passover."


Thanks for your input cowboy..

I am interested in what morningsongs belief is on this..Blessings..Miles

no photo
Wed 10/19/11 08:21 PM
On Easter Sunday ,Believers Celebrate the

Ressurrection of Jesus.

Not easter bunnies.


Born again Believers are not too concerned with what label man

puts on the

day....simply because in our hearts, we already know the TRUE

meaning of what that day Represents.


After this, I prefer not to waste my time on religiousity

nonsense, if you don't mind.

I would rather focus on what Christanity is supposed to

really be all about.....sharing the Gospel .


Be Blessed now.....

and Thank You for understanding....


:heart::heart::heart:




CowboyGH's photo
Wed 10/19/11 08:40 PM

On Easter Sunday ,Believers Celebrate the

Ressurrection of Jesus.

Not easter bunnies.


Born again Believers are not too concerned with what label man

puts on the

day....simply because in our hearts, we already know the TRUE

meaning of what that day Represents.


After this, I prefer not to waste my time on religiousity

nonsense, if you don't mind.

I would rather focus on what Christanity is supposed to

really be all about.....sharing the Gospel .


Be Blessed now.....

and Thank You for understanding....


:heart::heart::heart:






Amen MorningSong. Easter is about the resurrection of Jesus. Regardless if the term "Easter" is used in the bible or not. It's a celebration made in memory of Jesus Christ and what he did for us.

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Wed 10/19/11 08:56 PM
Exactly.


(((((((:heart:Cowboy:heart:))))))))


((((((:heart:Miles:heart:))))))))



(((((((:heart:Everyone else:heart:))))))))


Goodnite to All Now....Be Blessed Now....



:heart::heart::heart:

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 10/19/11 10:32 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Wed 10/19/11 10:34 PM

Exactly.


(((((((:heart:Cowboy:heart:))))))))


((((((:heart:Miles:heart:))))))))



(((((((:heart:Everyone else:heart:))))))))


Goodnite to All Now....Be Blessed Now....



:heart::heart::heart:



I understand..

we do not want to see what scriptures say.. they are old.. the NT is done away also.. we have a new Bible.. Its in my heart:heart: :heart:

and We can do what ever my heart desires.. Because I have the Holy Spirit and you don't..hahahah is that it.. yea thats it.. he came to save me and the old man was wrong.. I am right..:heart: :heart:


AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/19/11 10:47 PM


On Easter Sunday ,Believers Celebrate the

Ressurrection of Jesus.

Not easter bunnies.


Born again Believers are not too concerned with what label man

puts on the

day....simply because in our hearts, we already know the TRUE

meaning of what that day Represents.


After this, I prefer not to waste my time on religiousity

nonsense, if you don't mind.

I would rather focus on what Christanity is supposed to

really be all about.....sharing the Gospel .


Be Blessed now.....

and Thank You for understanding....


:heart::heart::heart:






Amen MorningSong. Easter is about the resurrection of Jesus. Regardless if the term "Easter" is used in the bible or not. It's a celebration made in memory of Jesus Christ and what he did for us.

Strange...

I thought it was the time to give thanks that the Angel of Death took not a single Jew...

When Egypt refused God yet again.

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/19/11 11:18 PM


This is an interesting article about some of the challenges of accurately interpreting the bible

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-ways-your-bible-tran_b_1007058.html


Besides all of that.

The bible is a book of stories that do not depict one thing or story line because they are written by many different authors at different times in history with different stories to tell.

So the whole thing being one big book of stories it shouldn't be attempted to make it into sense. That is a waste of time and energy.



its not one book though, its a compilation of books and verses

much like chapters of a history book, they dont have to all be from the same perspective or source to be relevant or make sense

s1owhand's photo
Thu 10/20/11 05:05 AM
laugh

In addition to the many difficulties in translation there is also
the need to interpret the intent and the point of various parts of
the Bible and other sacred texts. It is through this study that we
all become more attuned to issues surrounding right and wrong and
human behavior and motivations as well as the existence and nature
of God.

The Bible needs to be read in its original language, translate
properly, and interpreted properly like any work from antiquity.
Even more than most because of its subject matter.

drinker

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 10/20/11 09:15 AM

laugh

In addition to the many difficulties in translation there is also
the need to interpret the intent and the point of various parts of
the Bible and other sacred texts. It is through this study that we
all become more attuned to issues surrounding right and wrong and
human behavior and motivations as well as the existence and nature
of God.

The Bible needs to be read in its original language, translate
properly, and interpreted properly like any work from antiquity.
Even more than most because of its subject matter.

drinker



Great Post.. most logical thinking i have seen for awhile.. Top of my hat to ya s1owhand Blessings..Miles