Topic: Treatise on the Shroud of Turin/A Treatise on God's Council
tudoravenger's photo
Sat 10/08/11 08:26 AM
Treatise on the Shroud of Turin.

For myself, this historic artefact is the genuine article. Despite carbon dating, which indicates the Middle Ages, discrepancies remain.
The first is that the shroud is tacked on to another cloth. This was done to preserve it. I suspect this created the false date reading.
The second is the presence of spores and seeds from plants that can only be found within Israel.

The third is far more convincing. The victim is around 5ft 11ins. The garden tomb in Jerusalem clearly shows chiselling in an attempt to extend the bed to 5ft 11ins. It had been designed for a smaller occupant.

The fourth concerns the wounds, which are multiple. Head wounds can be seen from the crown of thorns. One swollen cheek indicates severe beating. Lacerations on back, arms legs, buttocks, and around the sides, indicate a Roman scourging. The victim also has nail wounds on the wrists and feet. Roman crucifixion teams hammered the nails through the wrists to stop the victim dislodging them while hanging from the cross. The palms are too easily torn. There are clear bloodstains too. Testing has confirmed the blood is human.
The fifth concerns the face itself. The victim is Jewish and clearly has a beard, moustache. Popular during Yeshua’s time.
The sixth and final discrepancy concerns the image itself. For myself this is the clinching argument. Had photography been discovered in the Middle Ages, the technology would never have been lost and our photographic record would have been immense. The image only comes to definition when a negative image is taken. Even today, we cannot create photos of this kind on cloth.

So, how was it created? As I have said before in discussions, the resurrection began with the conversion of Yeshua’s body into spirit matter. That’s why the body disappeared. Why the tomb was found empty. Apart from the shroud itself. This matter to energy conversion created the image of the crucified man, the true image of Yeshua of Nazareth.

There is a second piece of cloth, which adorned the head of the victim. The marks on this are consistent with trauma wounds seen upon the face, head. Testing confirmed the blood was human and matched the blood type upon the main shroud itself.

When you put everything together, the facts are overwhelming. The Shroud of Turin bears the image of the Jewish Messiah.
I feel truly privileged to have seen it.

A Treatise on God’s Council.

As I have said elsewhere, God’s Angelic Council has now met twice in 4 billion years. First before Sodom and Gomorrah. The second on Jan 20th, Hebrew year, 5771. I know how controversial that statement is. However, it is the truth. In addition, this year will mark 63 years since Israel’s rebirth.

So what is God’s Council and what is its function?
The heavenly hierarchy runs as follows.
God, angels, the Council, heaven.

Prayers from Earth go to God via the Council. Reply’s go the same route. Petitions from spirits in heaven go to the Council. It acts as a go-between. When God sanctions them, the Council acts on that petition. Such petitions are frequent. New buildings frequently go up.

The Council also advises. This advice, guidance, is sent to spirits in heaven. This is frequent, as new arrivals can be confused or truly astonished. Council members are seen in heaven, and penetrate the dark regions on mercy missions. Before such missions however, God’s authority is asked for and gained. This Council is in permanent session, unlike the Angelic Council.

Council members are not elected. There is no government. The Council has been, and always shall be. Understanding this point is highly important. The Council is backed up by 4 angels, observers only I should add. They represent God’s presence. If they left, which they never do, the Council would have no authority.

The angels act on God’s instructions. They are not influenced by the Council. They visit heaven and earth, usually in human form, as indicated elsewhere.

The Council I described in The Council Meets, was the Angelic Council. As described, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer and the Advocate were present. As well as the angelic ranks. This set up is not unusual. Job also witnessed something similar. Though not the Angelic Council.

To understand Lucifer’s role, one must understand this important point. We are living in God’s second creation. There are many references to the first within the Hebrew Canon. You only have to look. In this creation, life and Man was perfect. He lived by the word of God and was at peace with himself and creation. He knew not death.

However, Lucifer, not a fallen angel, felt this was wrong. He argued, successfully as it turned out, that Man must have free will. Free will to commit acts of goodness, acts of evil. He became the guarantor of Man’s free will. After a protracted period of unknown time, time did not exist then, God agreed. The first creation ceased, and the second began.

I can sympathise with Lucifer’s point, but history has shown his argument to be pure folly. Man has committed more evil acts than acts of goodness. I for one wish the first creation had been left in place! I have said so many times.

Michael’s role in the Angelic Council is to advise, give his viewpoint. Much like Gabriel’s really. Michael, the Archangel is not Yeshua. Too suggest otherwise is blasphemy, that is why I reject Revelation. This idea was a creation of the Christian church, not God.

The Advocate’s role is as neutral observer. He gives his point of view and makes recommendations. Usually he aligns with God, that is his role. He is equal to Michael, who himself is superior to Gabriel. The Advocate is not Yeshua, another Christian myth.
God’s role is obvious. He listens to the Angelic Council and makes the decision. The Council accepts without reservation. Once it is taken, this decision is transmitted to the Heavenly Council, which transmits it to the spirits in heaven, and on this occasion to earth.
The angelic ranks are there as observers only. They may murmur as indicated, but that’s all. They never rebel. They live, operate by the word of God. Of course, there are thousands of them. Have to be really. The universe is a large place.

The angels have their own hierarchy. They are genderless. As is God. From top to bottom here it is. Triad 1-Seraphim. It is said they provide the voice of creation. Stop singing, no universe. Radio telescopes may have picked the singing up, and interpreted it as echo of the Big Bang. We call it background cosmic radiation. Static to the rest of us. Cherubim keep the records, an important task. Ophanim dispense universal justice. Apollyon is the most famous. Triad 2-Dominions. They watch angelic deployment and dispense duties. We would call them supervisors. Virtues. These angels produce miracles. As recorded elsewhere, I have seen their power in action. Breathtaking does not describe it. Powers. These angels keep the balance between good/evil throughout the universe. Very involved on Judgement Day itself. As Man will see. Triad 3-Principalities. These angels protect nations, cities people. Archangels send messages to earth. Michael is the most famous. He heads them all. Gabriel is 2nd here. He is famous for many things. Announcing Yeshua’s birth is well known. Raphael is little known. He orders the Virtues and heals too. Can also rescue those in danger. Uriel’s role, is to frighten the life out of those who have strayed from the spiritual path. People repent after his visit!

The Minor archangels come next.

Raguel acts as Judge to the angels. Saraquel watches his companions too. Remiel brings souls and sends truthful visions.

Normal angels come next. If such a term is valid. A few of them have intervened directly in human history. Guardian angels fit in here.
They are personal protectors. My own is called Samael. Less said about him the better.

That is the complete list. Though from time to time God adds to it, the hierarchy remains in place.

This series will be continued...


boredinaz06's photo
Sat 10/08/11 10:01 AM


Well we'll never know because the church doesn't want to know nor do they want anyone else to know. They (the church) could very easily allow a small sample to be taken form the an unaltered portion of the cloth now that they know what they're looking at but that might lead to this find being false and that is something the church simply cannot afford.

no photo
Tue 10/11/11 08:32 AM



Well we'll never know because the church doesn't want to know nor do they want anyone else to know. They (the church) could very easily allow a small sample to be taken form the an unaltered portion of the cloth now that they know what they're looking at but that might lead to this find being false and that is something the church simply cannot afford.
Yea the marketing director wants the brand to stay as pristine as possible, doubt only hurts the image.

metalwing's photo
Tue 10/11/11 08:41 AM
Carbon dating is a real problem. There are many types of contamination that can mix modern carbon with the original material to get false readings. If the cloth were treated with any type of oil or cleaning fluid, a false reading would result.

To get an accurate dating from Carbon 14, you would need multiple samples, a spectrogram analysis of multiple areas, and various chemical tests for contamination.

A common contamination is smoke. Unburned carbon can be "new" and smoke particles throw the readings way off.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 10/11/11 10:06 PM

Carbon dating is a real problem. There are many types of contamination that can mix modern carbon with the original material to get false readings. If the cloth were treated with any type of oil or cleaning fluid, a false reading would result.

To get an accurate dating from Carbon 14, you would need multiple samples, a spectrogram analysis of multiple areas, and various chemical tests for contamination.

A common contamination is smoke. Unburned carbon can be "new" and smoke particles throw the readings way off.

Even worse. Anyone who breathed upon it from the moment of find through the 'chain' to the person that finally started precautions to prevent contamination... would have deposited 'modern' carbon and perhaps even DNA.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 10/11/11 11:23 PM
Has everyone forgot about worshipping an IMAGE

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/12/11 06:09 PM
you mean like...

Jesus of Nazereth?

Son of Man and therefore IMAGE of God.

"We shall make them in our image"

Yet worshipped he is by many.