Tiny Baby Christian



Tiny humans before evolution:

Roberta,,I am so sorry that your spirit of JOY was dampened by those who wish to make any and every topic here THEIR personal vendetta on how THEY FEEL ABOUT LIFE.
The concept of many people is simple,RESPECT,,in ANY POST YOU REPLY TO,,IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING GOOD,,,simply,,WHY SPEAK IN IT?
There are many on here who want to give God's words,,yet pronounce THEIR WORDS just as HIGH as His.
And there are many non-believers in WORDS here,,who fight to keep Christ's worship and love within their on struggles to convince themselves He does NOT exist.
So THEY STAY always trying to find their OWN REASONING FOR LIFE.
I was one of the first members on here to ask they have a Cristian forum so as the Christian's could have a place to post in as to not be under arguments from non-believers(and then I was not a Christian)
I lived all the dramas within the regular forums and made that suggestion as a means to solve that issue on here..
THEN,,I happened to be asked to come here and see a post,,and I was in shock,,as I read back,,many months in both of these forums assigned to members of a Christian Faith,,,It was all nothing but torment and arguments and very sad...
So now,,rarely do I come into it as I see it more of a place to be BASHED,,than loved..
How sad is THAT?
I think your testimonial here was uplifting and full of LOVE for Christ
And your reasoning and manners to stay NICE through them,,was fantastic,,for I would have been much more graphic to their disrespect.
May you KEEP ON BEING THIS GLORY OF GODS WILL AND KEEP ON SHOWING HIM AND THE WORLD YOUR LOVE FOR HIM..
To the bashers who want to just cause harm and open anyones topic to feel its THEIR WAR,,shame on all of you..
Life is what we each see it to be,,and we ALL should show respect for each others thoughts as well as their stories to be told..
If ANY of you ran a post about wanting to live life free from any God,,I simply,,just wouldn't feel ANY NEED to reply in it,,no problems.
SEE HOW SIMPLE "THAT IS"????
Disrespect,,,IS DISRESPECT,,I don't care if YOUR a Christian or NOT a Christian?

Jeannie....a christian is someone who is BORN of

God.....

a spiritual birth has taken place.

That is what born again means.....the spirit of a christian is

brand spanking new.


HOWEVER,, that born again christian starts off as a new born

babe...just like a babe in the natural..and has to grow up.


However, The SOUL of that new born babe is NOT born again ; just

the spirit of the new born babe in Christ is born

again.


MEANING, a soulish change is going to reguire WORK on

the part of the new born christian....which comes by the

daily renewing of his/her mind

with the Word of God.


So, don't expect a babe to ACT fully mature right away in

his/her spiritual walk ..thare will be a lot of

poopooing in spiritual diapers, so to speak.....



but THEN as the babe starts growing up and renews his/her mind

daily

with the WORD OF GOD(the christians' daily bread),

WILL the FULL EVIDENCE of the NEW BIRTH that has taken place,

become more

and more evident in his/her life .


Also,the fruits of the spirit will start

showing up more and more in

that christian's life,too....as he/she grows up in the Faith.


Hope this helps explain, Jeannie.


ps... man is made up of spirit , soul(mind , will ,thoughts, and

emotions) and physical body .

A christian must renew his mind daily with the Wrod of God, in

order to have the mind of Christ more and more(that is the

christian's job to do, not God's)...

and also,, a christian learns to put his body under subjection

to the Holy Spirit, as he/she spirtually grows up.


The stronger the spirit of man becomes, the easier it is to WALK

IN THE SPIRIT .

Truly, and unfortunately that's precisely the mindset that a lot of Fundamentalists have. They "define" what it means to be a "Christian" and then pass judgment on others as to the "validity" or "maturity" of their Christian status.

As far as I'm concerned, that's about as anti-Jesus as it gets.

A LOT of Christian fundamentalism is about as anti-Jesus as things can be, actually.

I sincerely beleive that if Jesus were alive today he would be saying

A Modern Day Jesus in Matt.23

[13] But woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

[14] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

[15] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

[23] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

[25] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

[27] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

[29] Woe unto you, Christian Fundamentalists, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,


I don't believe for one second that Jesus would support half of the crap that is passed off in his name through "Christianity" today.

This is why I don't care for Christianity. It has very little to do with Jesus, if anything. They abuse his name to preach their religious bigotry and damnation toward anyone who doesn't cower down to their, often quite anti-Jesus, sentiments and blasphemous religious bigoted interpretations of scriptures.

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Luv2rocknroll,

You talk about "praising Jesus", well, I personally find it to be far more uplifting toward Jesus to think of him as having absolutely nothing to do with modern day Christianity.

This is why I become very saddened when I see people falling for the "Church and Dogma" in the name of Jesus.

It can be a very sad thing indeed.

I think it's great that they have decided to believe in a God.

But it's sad that they have ultimately fallen for "religion" that is based on a jealous dogma and the exclusion of anyone who refuses to cower down to that dogma, and especially to the specific interpretations of it that are often being held out by hateful fundamentalists in the name of Jesus for the sake of supporting religious bigotries.

That's where my problem lies.

Not with Jesus himself. Far from it.

That is the way you define a Christian.
I believe that we are all born of God.

I am born of God, but people don't consider me to be Christian.

I do feel that I know what it feels like to be born anew and become a new person.

Yes.....we are all born of God..so maybe I should

rephrase this and simply say....spiritually born again.



Also Jeannie, a born again christian recognizes the shepherd's

voice, and won't follow a stranger's voice (cults)...


but ,if per

chance a born again christian DOES get involved in a

cult...well....God eventually WILL get that christian out.


God watches over His sheep.

How do you define a "cult".

A cult is often defined as a religious organization that basically threatens their followers with bad things if they leave it or refuse to support it.

But that's basically what Christianity does. Disagree with the Christian interpretations of the Bible and you'll quickly be condemned by the cult as being a "non-member".

Christianity is basically an acceptance of the Christian-specific version of the Abrahamic cult.

Deny that Jesus is "The Christ" and you're out on your butt!

In fact, deny almost any aspect of their interpretations of the dogma and you'll quickly become an "OUTCAST"

I've been condemned and expelled by the "Christians" for no longer believing that Jesus was the son of God. You're not allowed to do that.

You can't view Jesus as a human being and reject the rumors of the New Testament and remain in the "Christian cult". It's not acceptable.

Christianity is indeed a cult. An extremely exclusive cult at that.

They will socially crucify you in the name of Jesus if you refuse to cower down to their "graven image" of him.

And by "graven image" here I mean precisely their specific interpretations of scriptures.

Disagree with those interpretations and you're out on your butt.

No exceptions!

Christianity is basically a cult that demands that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh who died to pay for your sins.

No other interpretations will be tolerated!

Of course, CHRISTianity is all about Jesus our CHRIST. It's the root of the word lol. Without Jesus CHRIST, there is no CHRISTianity. So if one doesn't believe Jesus to be the CHRIST, then they aren't CHRISTian.



Not true. The Baptists interpret the scriptures differently then the 7th day Adventists, and the 7th day Adventists interpret the scriptures different then the Catholics, ect ect.



Then by no means could Christianity be a cult. Christianity gives absolutely no threats for those whom do not believe, we will not kill one for not believing, we will not do anything to someone because they do not believe. Why spread hateful lies?

Our new nurse told me of two different types of people. Those who were born again and those who were born right the first time.

Small miracles..

Momy I can't reach the water!"

Sure they do Cowboy.

To begin, you are NOT a "Christian". You are a follower of a religion called "Christianity".

The actual "Christians" were the ones who actually wrote the New Testament.

And they did give threats to those who do not believe:


John.3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There's the psychological emotional threat right there Cowboy.

Fail to believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and you are condemned already.

That's the cult that you support and follow.

You, as an individual person, really have nothing to do with it, beyond that. You are a merely follower and supporter of the cult. You did not create or design it. Neither are you the spokesperson for it, even though you certainly ask as though you are.

This cult threatens everyone with condemnation if they fail to believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

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Just as an interesting side note, I would like to point out that these kinds of claims didn't even come from Jesus himself. This particular verse is not even being written as a "quote" from Jesus. This is just a narrative opinion of John.

There aren't even any quotes in these texts that have Jesus proclaiming any such thing. And even if such quotes did exist, it would certainly be reasonable to question them since they are clearly hearsay rumors after the fact, and were not even written by Jesus himself.

Surely if some God wanted to "condemn" people for not believing in him he would have, at the very least, written this stuff up himself.

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Ironically even within these very scriptures we actually find places where these same people claim that Jesus has stated totally opposing views:


John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.


Here we have a quote that John is actually attributing to Jesus himself where Jesus is saying that he will not judge a man for not believing his words.

That's a far cry from proclaiming that he will condemn someone for merely not believing in his name.

So who should we believe? John when he speaks for himself? Or John when he claims to be quoting Jesus?

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And yes, I fully realize that you can and will argue endlessly for the condemnational interpretation.

Because that's truly what the CORE of Christianity has become. Nothing more than a viscous argument that "The Christ" will see to it that anyone who refuses to join the cult will indeed be condemned.

Keep that emotional threat alive and well!

Don't let it die!

No one comes to Jesus out of LOVE, they absolutely must cower down to Christianity via the emotional threat damnation. No other interpretation is permissible.

Very SAD indeed.

It's not even permissible to create a truly LOVING Jesus. That will get you banned from the cult forever!

Assimilate, or be condemned!

It's an emotional threat Cowboy.

The very essence of a CULT.

People like you especially will not tolerate a truly LOVING FORGIVING Jesus.

In your hands, he's an extremely hateful dead marionette doll subject entirely to your ventriloquism as you interpret scriptures on HIS behalf in the most condemnatory way possible.

You stand between Jesus and LOVE. Refusing to allow anyone to LOVE Jesus without your specific permission according to your specific hostile and unloving interpretations of scriptures.

This is the hallmark of fundamental Christianity, unfortunately.

Amen to that!

You just like to take things out of context.

The following verse of the verse you provided is -

48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

And the words that Jesus spoke are as followed -

John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



That's not a threat, that's enlightened knowledge of certain actions.

Abra,,Cowboy,,PEOPLE,,,I ask YOU PLEASE,,WHAT does someones post of their happiness to BE SAID,,,WITHIN IT,,,makes you feel that you can CRAP ON ALL THAT IS IS?

Start a new post and take you FIGHTING WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE SAID AND FOUGHT

IN YOUR OWN POST,,,made to derive all that is or isn't Divine through your eyes?


Have you NO RESPECT for the anger you hold as your truth separates ALL OTHER LIFE from being able to SHOW YOURS?

Is THIS FUN FOR YOU TO DO HERE?

Do you point at the less fortunate in a crowd and say THEY AIN'T GOT NO MONEY?

Do you stop behind every policemen's car who has someone stopped for speeding and point and chant they got caught?

WHAT IS THIS POINT YOUR BOTH NEVER GOING TO MAKE?

but YOUR REASON TO BE NASTY IN SOMEONE ELSES POSTS?

Go stand outside a Church near you on Sunday and YELL THEIR SINNERS OR THEIR IS NO GOD,,IF YOUR HATE AND FRUSTRATIONS ARE MORE THAN YOU ARE AS A MAN TO SEE AND FEEL THIS DISRESPECT YOUR BOTH AND MANY OTHER IN CARRYING ON???????

Well, like I say Cowboy, Christianity is just a cult that threatens emotional and spiritual condemnation to anyone who refuses to cower down to it.

All you're doing is confirming these negative threats.

I don't believe in gods that make such threats Cowboy.

It's as simple as that.

I prefer to believe that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva who truly taught love, and was unfortunately crucified morally in the writings of the New Testament as they used the rumors of his crucifixion to create the Christian Cult. Using him as a dead marionette doll to shove their words down his throat.

I have absolutely no reason to trust the writings of the New Testament to be the verbatim words of Jesus. Yet you keep shoving that filth in my face as though it's respectable.

And you flatly refuse to allow for a truly respectable interpretation of Jesus.

You refuse to allow it.

It's that simple.

You prefer your condemnatory view of Jesus.

I can't help but believe that this is what attracts you to the religion more than anything because you are apparently so obsessed with condemnation in Jesus' name that you can never seem to move beyond that. Even when loving interpretations are offered to you. You just keep coming back with a condemnatory picture of Jesus.

That's truly sad Cowboy.

Truly sad indeed.

It's people like you that contribute to the growing rise in atheism. And I don't blame the atheists at all. When you're done portraying Jesus even atheism actually looks inviting.

I appreciate your feelings Terry.

I truly do.

But this forum is indeed were we discuss these things rather than going out and protesting in front of a church. (Which I would NEVER do in real life!)

In fact, face it Terry, even organized Christian CHURCHES have protested at the FUNERALS of our soldiers publicly making a scene and condemning them in Jesus' name for being GAY!

That is something that I would NEVER do to anyone!

These forums are where the religion is discussed, debated, argued, and so forth.

You point to people like me, but from my point of view people like Cowboy aren't any different at all. All Cowboy ever does is attempt to condemn people in Jesus' name.

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There is a SAFE HAVEN for Luv2rocknroll.

It's the CHRISTIAN SINGLES FORUMS!

Here: http://mingle2.com/forum/forum/188

It's not like luv2rocknroll doesn't have a sanctuary where she can share her Christian views with like-minded people.

Neither is anyone putting her down here.

This is the "real world" where hardcore Christian fundamentalism clashes with people who don't care for that kind of heavily dogmatic and "condemnatory" approach to religion.

Luv2rocknroll stated that several people wrote her emails explaining to her about the nature of the "General Religion Forums". I hope they also provided her with a link to the "Christian Singles Forum".

I most certainly never post in that form EVER.

I don't know about other people.

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And for whatever it's worth I'm glad that luv2rocknroll has found spiritual enlightenment, in whatever form she has found it.

I hope that "Christianity" itself does not become a 'burden' for her as it did for me when I was a Christian.

Although when I was a Christian my greatest source of aggravation and condemnation did not come from outside of Christianity, but rather from within. From other Christians like Cowboy who refuse to tolerate a loving picture of Jesus.

And unfortunately, as Cowboy vividly continually demonstrates, the New Testament is filled to the brim with extremely condemnatory verses that can indeed be used as fodder to feed a very negative view of Jesus.

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If anything, I hope that luv2rocknroll recognizes that these arguments don't really have anything at all to do with Jesus himself, but rather with differences of opinions of precisely what different people think that Jesus should represent.

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She may even learn something from these conversations that will help her to strive to portray Jesus in a more loving way than say, someone like Cowboy does.

Where do you get condemnation out of that?

In another place in the New Testament there is an account where Jesus tells a story to his disciples about "lost sheep".

He suggest that if any of them had lost a sheep surely they would go out to find it and bring it home again. Jesus also suggests to them they surely their father who is in heaven would do so even MORE.

So even if Jesus did say these words as they are written verbatim above, it still wouldn't imply that Jesus would "condemn" someone who does not come to him. He could easily go out and seek them out and they would STILL get to the father "by him".

So you post verses in an attempt to support a condemnatory Jesus when, in truth, there isn't even anything in the verses that you post that even remotely suggests any such thing.

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Also, realizing that the entire New Testament is indeed hearsay quotes and rumors of what Jesus "might" have said, and can in no way be expected to be a perfect verbatim recording of his precise words, he may very well have said something ever so slightly different that could have an entirely different meaning altogether.

He might have actually said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by the things I teach."

Given that interpretation, that would allow for any sage who teaches the very same things to also quality as "The Way" to find God.

In fact, that's precisely how I personally interpret this particular passage.

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There really isn't any justification for your "hardcore" approach to constantly attempting to use scriptures to force a condemnatory portrait of Jesus.

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That's just totally uncalled for, and doesn't serve anyone any good, not even your religion.

Don't see what your point is here. I do not "argue" nor do I post anything offensive towards another. I do no belittle another's belief, I do not down another's belief. I put my belief towards subject at hand using verses to support why I believe such and go on. If one disagrees, one disagrees. If one uses a verse(s) in their statement, if it's taken out of context I will enlighten people with the conextual meaning. The things I say are not pointed at anyone in particular less their name is included, other then that. It is merely me sharing my beliefs on the subject at hand which is what this forum is for, to discuss our different beliefs on certain things. It's not a place for arguing or anything of such.

Jesus does, Jesus works through people. That is where your conscience comes into play. He will lay something on someone's conscience, then if that doesn't work, if the person ignores these feelings, he will put on another's conscience to go speak with them.

Very true. But this applys to any writings, or even verbal recordings. One can not prove another said something, ever.

Written documentation could again be hearsay rumours.
Verbal recordings could be someone else impersonating the person in mention.

And so on and so on. That's where faith comes into play. You obviously have no faith the bible is accurate and or even true at all. That is what YOU have placed your faith in. Doesn't make it any less true, nor does me believing in it make it any more true.

Why when someone mentions God in any way you go off into debating on weather God is real or not? And or the Christian faith in general being real or not. That was not the original purpose of this post and you've turned it into a debate. This was a woman coming in here spilling her heart out about what she has found. And all you can do is come in and try to put doubts in her mind and or demean her new findings.