how do we stop doing it if we been doing it since 12

Masturbation would be lusting after the flesh, thus it would be sinful. It would be lusting for sex.

Whether or not masturbation is a sin all depends on which mythical God you are attempting to appease. Or which human fundamentalists you are attempting to appease.

If God knows im doing it, he is watching me doing it, and that makes him a bigger sinner than me.

How so? It's not like God would be a peeping tom looking in hopes to see something as such. God watches our every move, not out of lust, not out of anything like that. Out of love, out of watching over us to protect us, watching our every move for judgement time, ect ect.

If failing to spot a joke was a sin, you would be going to hell.

Next time i'll add a 'lol' on to make it less subtle for ya! (lol!)

ok lol, that would be much appreciative. This is a serious forum. Maybe not for everyone, but quite a lot of people hold dear to their religous/spiritual beliefs and don't joke around about and or with them.

Maybe thats one of your problems, taking your religion(and yourself) too seriously.

Maybe you need to masturbate more often.

(lol!)

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Spiritual beliefs are very crucial and serious. Spiritual beliefs are for eternity, not just this life on Earth. This life is to prepare us for eternity and to see if we even deserve eternity, it's about living for tomorrow and not today. Today is gone in a blink of an eye and tomorrow may never come because of something you do today.

Regardless to your religious beliefs, I fully recommend masturbation on a regular basis.

It relieves stress.
It helps to make women better lovers and makes their sex life more satisfying.
It is way of connecting with yourself and your body.
Etc...

Mutual masturbation is fantastic also.

Watching your lover please themselves helps you learn what pleases them so you become a better partner to them.

There is really nothing wrong with it as long as you can get over the hairy palms.

The whole idea of a judgmental Godhead who would be as petty as the Hebrew folklore demands does not warrant 'serious' consideration, IMHO.

Such a petty would would be pathetic and laughable IMHO, the only 'seriousness' that could be given to it would be the grave truth that if such a god existed it would indeed be pathetically hideous. I suppose that if such a sick demented "god" actually existed that would indeed be a gravely serious state of affairs.

So I guess it's no wonder that the people who believe in this kind of judgmental godhead take their religion so seriously. The consequences for dismissing the religion as being utterly absurd would be horrific.

It's clearly a fear-based religion and as such strikes the 'seriousness' of fear into its followers.

Just as you have yourself proclaimed here. You're greatest fear is that you could screw up your chances at eternal life via something that you might do or say today. That is indeed a fear-based religion.

You fear, that you'll screw up your future if you do not cower down to the demands of this religion. So from that point of view, it would of course be "gravely serious" for you.

You have much to lose by questioning the validity of these ancient fables, and apparently nothing to gain from questioning them because you have already been convinced that your future depends entirely upon appeasing this judgmental godhead.

Yep, I would agree that such a fear-based belief would indeed be a quite serious state of affairs for the believer.

Do the wrong thing (even by honest and sincere mistake) and your petty god will condemn you for all of eternity.

That would indeed be a gravely serious predicament to be in for sure.

So I can see where it would indeed be deadly serious for those who buy into it.

Not true, it's not fear based. We obey out of love for our father, not out of fear. There is absolutely nothing to fear with God.



Not true. That is why our God offers forgiveness.

There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful.

Both medical doctors and psychologists have recognize that the regular release of sexual tensions contributes profoundly to a persons well-being in general. And masturbation fits that bill for someone who does not have an intimate mate.

So for us to believe in a God who condemns masturbation as a 'sin' we would need to believe in a God who doesn't even recognize what is health for the very objects of his creation.

Agreed. But since the bible was written by men of that age of ignorance, we should expect it.

Masturbation is healthy for a healthy person. If you have a sexually unhealthy person who say is addicted to it, that can be an issue. But it is not the masturbation that makes them unhealthy, it is the unhealthiness of their mind.

That may be your own personal perversion of sexual release, or perhaps a perverted definition pushed onto you by the religion you've chosen to worship, but from my point of view it is indeed a perverted view.

You have chosen to defile something in the name of a petty God that is actually quite divine and beautiful.

There is no need for masturbation to be thought of as "lust after sexual intercourse". In fact, you have absolutely no clue what people might actually be thinking when they masturbate. Perhaps that what you would choose to think about when you masturbate? But it does not automatically follow that everyone thinks that way.

That certainly isn't my thoughts. I don't even think of sexual intercourse when I masturbate and that's a fact. My focus is on making love to a woman. I actually focus far more on kissing her in a loving way and sharing feelings of LOVE with her.

So evidently I do not pervert masturbation as you seem to think it should be perverted.

Your assumptions about the motivations and thoughts of other people simply aren't true. You have been brainwashed by a perverted religion to believe that this is what masturbation represents, but that is a lie right there. Although it may not be a lie for you if you buy into it.


But the fact that it is indeed a lie for me, demonstrates clearly to me that falsity of the religion. The people who made this religion up simply did not have the capability to think like me and to view things as I view them, so they perverted these thing into their own style of thinking.

This is why I know with absolute certainty that these religious writings are the babblings of perverted male-chauvinistic men, and did not come from any truly 'all-wise' God. These teachings aren't even remotely "wise", they are sick and perverted.

This is how we can know that these religions are false.

Unless a course a person is just as sick and perverted as the people who made these religions up. Then they wouldn't be able to see through the nonsense.

There is nothing ungodly or less than divine in masturbation when done in a mindset of genuine love. Perverting it to reduce it to nothing more than the lust of a 'sex act' is simply not required at all.

In perfect honesty I can tell you right now that I wouldn't even be able to become sexually aroused at all if I viewed masturbation in the way that you pervert it. There would be nothing erotic in it for me at all if I perverted it as you suggest it should be perverted.

For me, sex and love are inseparable. And therefore, for me, sex is an act of love and is therefor every bit as divine as love. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the material lust of flesh.

That's your perversion, not mine.

Although, I will agree that there are clearly other people who think like you. The success of the pornographic industries are active proof of that.

But that does not mean that every individual must therefore reduce sex to perversion. That's an insane notion right there.

An insane notion that religious people like you tend to perpetuate.

My suggestion would be to climb out of that mental gutter and start thinking in terms of love instead of meaningless lust of flesh. Only then could you begin to see the divine nature of masturbation.

Why can one not control them self? Why must one masturbate? Why can one not just wait? What is the big need for masturbation? Why desire something that will never help you in your life so much.

Wait for what?

Not everyone is fortunate enough to marry.

Moreover, did you not hear that medical doctors and psychologists have recognized that the release of sexual tensions, and in fact, chemicals that are released during orgasm are highly beneficial to a person's physical and mental health and well-being?

Why not do what is healthy and good for your physical and mental well-being on a regular basis? It's the only wise thing to do.

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Moreover, keep in mind that you are the one who is proclaiming this behavior to be "perverted" and "sinful". IMHO, that's a sick and unhealthy mentality already.

Why pervert something that is, in truth, quite beautiful, pleasurable, and healthy?

The only reason you condemn it is because the religion you have chosen to support and worship condemns it as being a 'perverted act'.

So you accept that perversion and perpetuate it.

Personally I think that is sick in and of itself.

If masturbation results in better physical and mental well-being, (which studies show that it does). And it can be done in a spirit of genuine love and affection (which personally works for me). Then what could possibly be wrong with it other than a bunch of religious perverts who worship a perverted religion and claim that some perverted God will be displeased by this behavior and do curse the masturbates with some god-awful perverted punishment for their disobedience to his jealous authority.



I'd have to believe in a sick perverted God before I could even begin to believe that masturbation could be a 'bad' thing.

Our society has probably caused a lot of people a lot of unnecessary guilt and shame about their feelings of LOVE by perverting anything that has to do with sexual pleasure like this.

I see no value in any religion that perverts an act that is so closely related to both LOVE and to procreation.

Such a "God" would need to be a God who hates his very own creation.

That would be a sick perverted God already.

I have no need to make my life miserable attempting to appease the ancient myths of sick perverted jealous male-chauvinistic godheads that are based on deities who are appeased by blood sacrifices.

How sick is that already?

It's just a sick religion that tries to pervert beautiful healthy behavior into perverted sickness.

That last thing we need is a perverted sick God who condemns the most beautiful aspects of life, such a love and sensual intimacy, into disgusting perversions.

The sooner we move away from these ancient sick demented ideas the better off we'll be.

If you stop doing it you will likely become stressed. Stress is unhealthy and it promotes cancer.

Masturbation prevents cancer.

I don't really enjoy it that much, but I will do it to prevent stress and cancer.

It is not "lustful." Nor is it a sin.

It just feels good and it is good for you.

Don't believe anyone who tells you different.