No, I am saying your reading comprehension is lacking.

How do you get reality is a hallucination when the word rendition was used?

OR . . . .

Maybe you hallucinated and did not see that word, or maybe you saw the word you wanted to see, or maybe you just recreated the definition of rendition to make it follow the line of reasoning you preferred. That seems to be what is happening in this thread with belief and faith.

Hmm, I think this is interesting.

I would just like to make a small point that if this line of thought were anywhere near being accurate, it would lead to the logical conclusion that for example; a human being walking the face of this earth with no prior knowledge of hand guns and bullets would not ever run the risk of being shot... as we all know that that is not true, babies get hit by stray bullets all the time, ( and not because someone showed the newborn a gun so they could know what it was) therefore the entire aruguement does nothing but create a paradox.

Seems to me like you are making this personal.

Lets stick to the subject.

I asked:

If our hallucinations are "accurate renditions of reality" how do you know that for certain?

I did see the word rendition. I know what it means.

IFF as you stated our hallucinations are usually accurate renditions of reality, how would you KNOW if they were accurate and not simply a shared interpretation that is completely inaccurate?

The human perceptions and senses, being similar, will interpret "reality" in a similar manner. Then they will agree to a certain extent. They call that "science." It is an agreement on what is reality.

That's a whole different can of worms that involves ranges of frequency, and whether or not this reality is real or simulated, or whether or not we have a soul or personality that survives physical death.

Two alternate realities can not exist within the same timeline, this is why mentally ill people who have real hallucinations loose their grip on reality. I just had this very same debate with my 16 year old. He stated that if he were to take his life that he felt it would end the financial suffering of our family because in his mind non- of this is real life is only a belief and a perception...That is not true, if it were we would be able to have a shared "hallucination" that would change the would without war or conflict. We are here because we are human, the trees exsist because they just do; there is no reason other than evalution nature building upon it's self making and remaking it's self over and over again. When I asked my son would he like for me to slap him, he said NO. I asked why? he said it would hurt. I asked how if we are not real. He couldn't answer.

cinnamoncookiemeat

I have no doubt that we live in a place of matter, time and space we call "reality." The exact nature of that reality, we think we know. The thing to do is make the best of it while we are here.

If your son thinks that non of this is real life and is only a belief or a perception, then the financial suffering is also just a belief or perception. If you can change your belief then the suffering is gone.

Once I had a lot of financial problems and more bills coming in than I could pay. I worked full time but still did not always have enough to pay the bills. I would worry about that until one day I asked myself if there was some individual person at that place of business or credit card company who laid awake at night worrying if I was ever going to pay my bill.

I decided probably not.

So I quit worrying. When the bill collectors would call me I just told them I would pay them if and when I could and asked them to stop calling me. (If you send them a letter, they have to stop harassing you.)

Your son feels like he is a burden to you. He needs to feel that he is needed and loved. He needs to learn to appreciate living. There is nothing more precious than life.

I agree yet some teacher decided that he should teach a classroom full of teens philosophy without filling in the blanks for them. The truth of the matter is that we are here we don't know how because Centuries or history has been lost and re-written and changed to fit others view points we will never know the entire story so we all need to get over it and move on to create a new future instead of re-writting the past or ridiculing the present.

How so?

If I write 3+3=7 and you correct me is that personal?

What if I came back and said opps I did not see the equals sign, or left off parts of the terms, or . . . . . Should I be offended you pointed out the mistake?

If you knew what rendition meant and understood the context that I was using the word within, then why did you ask me if I believe this reality is a hallucination?

In fact why would you ask that given the word usage AND the past history of me going into great detail about why that is absurd? We have been having these same kinds of conversations for a few years now, just curious why would you think that if the context, the word, and my history are all known.


In fact this whole thing is very familiar, someone says something JB responds, the person corrects her, she takes slight and it becomes about the slight which never happened.

If you could explain why you asked that knowing what I meant perhaps that would provide some understanding on my part. If you did not understand what I meant then it is a FACT that the reading comprehension was lacking.

Your statement is:



Your claim is that our "hallucinations" are usually accurate renditions of reality.

1. IFF that is a true statement, how do you know?

(Most people don't call "perceptions" to equal "hallucinations.")

2. And IFF our hallucinations are accurate renditions of reality, they by definition they cannot be called hallucinations.

What the brain "renders" are our perceptions. If they match reality and everyone agrees, then they are not called hallucinations.

If our brain renders something that does not seem to match reality, then it is labeled an hallucination.

Ill attempt to answer your questions when you answer mine.
Nonsense. Over and over you are explained what frequency means and how it is a useful word and you continue to use it in such a way that makes it meaningless and useless.

If you want people to engage with you, learn what words mean and use them correctly.

This goes for JR also, it amazes me someone can with a straight face claim to not belief anything yet sit here and type words on an internet forum all the while claiming he does not believe anything which would include the forum existence, the people he is supposedly talking to and what not. OHHH but I experience that . . . . blather. Claims require beliefs, and the very claim you make requires a belief. Circular paradox created by your own definition which renders it useless.

There really is no nuance left in these threads, its just a couple of stubborn people who want there own pet ideas to be right, it never was a conversation, or debate, or any kind of meaningful dialog.

If you cannot understand how words can be useful, and how taking off with your own definition can make it useless then you need more help than any person here will provide.

By that example you imagine that you are correcting me about something? That's funny, and a bad analogy.



So by that example you are assuming that I am offended? You assume wrong.



I didn't ask you anything of the sort.



I can't relate at all to the above gibberish. Sorry.



Why do you think you corrected me? You said that we all hallucinate and that our hallucinations are usually accurate renditions of reality.

1. How do you justify that statement?
2. How do you know that we all hallucinate?
3. How do you know that our alleged hallucinations are accurate renditions of reality?

Your statement makes no sense and you refuse to justify it.

If you can only hallucinate there is no way to know if your hallucination is an accurate rendition of reality unless you are claiming to know what reality actually is.

So all you do is change the subject because you can't answer my questions.

I can demonstrate that we are ALWAYS hallucinating, and I can also prove with your very own words that you either did not understand what I said (nothing wrong with that, happens to me every day), or . . . . something else I do not understand.

So easy . . . . really, just admit you did not understand, or tell me why you would ask that question given the understanding.

Bushidobillyclub

This post was not a response to you, but I guess you are allowed to vent about it.

Sounds to me like you have a personal problem, so vent away if it makes you feel better.

Okay well, if you want to consider that a question...

The reason for the remark is that YOU don't know what reality is so you can't be the judge of whether or not our hallucinations are an accurate rendition of it.


Justify your statement. Stop making it personal. We all have attitudes and opinions.

I am not venting, I am being honest and blunt and you still are ignoring my question.

How is this personal outside of this is a problem you often have? The facts are on the table JB.

You are venting. You are clearly showing anger and attitude.

I answered your question.

Now justify your statement.

Round and round we go, where we end up, everyone knows.

You can try to justify your own frustration by placing emotions on me, but that is also not valid. You cannot know my state of mind, and I cannot know yours, thus why I asked a question of your state of mind.

Why did you ask me the question if you knew the context and understood the word usage?

Was this it? When I said we are always hallucinating but our hallucinations are usually an accurate rendition of reality you then asked if reality was a hallucination because you think I do not know what reality is?

That does not make sense, can you unpack that a bit? Seems to me it really has to break down to you did not understand what I meant, I don't understand why it is so hard to admit that, I am guessing that it is either that, or you want it to be true and thus read that in many things.

I'm not having the problem.

If you don't want to justify your statement, then don't.

CCM, you make an excellent point. There are many people who claim to not believe in reality, or who deny that facts exist. And yet they use locks, and they stop at crosswalks and wait for the walk sign, and most of them never leave a 10 story building by jumping out the window.

Facts are real. It is a fact that infants, or anyone, can die from injuries whether they believe it or not.