Topic: Going Home
Abracadabra's photo
Thu 08/11/11 10:05 AM

Spiritual people often speak of death as "going Home" to be with God.

Well does this really make any sense?

Clearly in a pantheistic view of God it does make sense.

In the pantheistic view of God we are all eternal spirits and always have been. When we are born into physical bodies this only represent an incarnation of physical life, not the first creation of it.

Therefore in pantheism when a person dies they "go Home". They go back from whence they came. They go back to being one with the whole of God once again, just as they were many times before. Thus they have gone "Home".

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However, in the Abrahamic picture of a God where people are created for the first time at birth, does it truly make any sense to speak of death as going "home". How could being with God be consider to be "Home" if a person had never been there before?

It would be a "New Home" perhaps, but certainly not "home".

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If I were to believe in the Abrahamic picture of spirituality and God then I must believe that I came into existence at the time my body was born. I am neither "home" nor was I ever at "home". I was simply created from nothing to suddenly exist in a strange place.

You could hardly call that "home".

So, ok. I'm conscious now, and I look around and see what life is like. There are many things that I find to be absolutely beautiful and awesome. But there are also many thing that I find to be totally disgusting and disturbing.

Then I am told that if I obey a bunch of rules and moral values (whether I agree with them or not) then I may be granted an eternal existence living under these rules and moral values (some of which I may not even feel very comfortable with at all)

So my choice at this point is to either choose to continue to exist under these often quite uncomfortable circumstances, or I can choose to simply die and truly "Go Home". Go right back to whatever I was before I was created. Which I guess would be nothingness.

Evidently in the Abrahamic Picture of spirituality my "True Home" was a state of non-existence.

So I am given a choice. I can either choose to accept eternal life based on what I see around me as an example of what life is like.

Or I can simply return to the way I was before I was offered this existence.

If that's the case, then perhaps nonexistence is indeed my choice. From what I can tell life is pretty screwed up. People love to hate each other. They are constantly fighting between each other. Apparently they worship money above all else and the entire human society is totally dependent upon economy which appears to be on quite shaky ground and driven by lust and greed more than anything else.

Based on everything I can see before me, love, and all the things that I actually like about life are rather scarce. They are the exception rather than the rule.

So as far as I can tell from the sample I've been given this is not a place that I would like to hang around in for eternity. Therefore going back to the state of nonexistence seems like the "Real Home" that might actually be a far better place to be (or not to be).

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In short, if the Abrahamic picture of God is true, then as far as I can tell life is more trouble than it's worth.

Even the fables of some heavenly spiritual existence are riddled with violence and the same kinds of greed and lust that we see on Earth. According to these fables the angels in Heaven turned against God and there was even a war in heaven and God himself is at constant war with a demonic angel. A war that is so threatening to this God that he had to sacrifice his only begotten son to a brutal crucifixion in order to appease the demonic angel who obviously poses a real threat to God.

So not only do humans on Earth have all their greed and lust for power, but evidently these same types of greed and lust exist in demonic angels and even in the God himself who is said to be the extremely jealous if anyone is placed before him. Apparently he is the ultimate egotistical deity who won't even begin to tolerate anyone being placed before him.

Gee whiz. If this is what life is about both on Earth and in Heaven, then yes, my choice would indeed be to "Go Home", not to any egotistical blood thirsty God, but simply to back to my "True Home" from whence I came.

And if that "True Home" was non existence, then I welcome it with open arms. flowerforyou

Of course the pantheistic picture of spirituality is far better. In that picture I can go home and still exist as spirit without all the horrors of egotistical humans and egotistical jealous human-like godheads.

So yes, I yearn to "Go Home". Whatever that might be. But whatever "Home" is, it certainly can't be with the Abrahamic God. Because that clearly cannot be my original "Home".






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Fri 09/09/11 08:52 PM

When I was only 22 years old I was looking up at the stars one night and I was suddenly overcome with the feeling that I was looking at my home.

The Stars.

I didn't understand this feeling at all, but it was overwhelming. It didn't make any sense. How could the stars be my home? I don't know, even to this day.

For days afterwards I felt a great hollow homesick feeling and felt as if I was lost and a long way from my home. I went to visit my parents and I looked at them and thought... these are not my real parents.

Soon these feelings left me and I returned to normal. But I will never forget those strange feelings.

Yes, there is a home out there, and it is wonderful.

I have no idea what it is.

msharmony's photo
Fri 09/09/11 09:07 PM
home can be a physical location you have been before

it can also be a state of mind


home is wherever my family is,, so when I go see my brothers I am 'at home'

I was home the first time I visited the place they live

home can refer to a surrounding that is new but yet familiar because of what and who is there,,,

I go home to be with the Father, because I was first with My Father....and because where ever he resides would be home to me....