So would I be assuming that by gratis of some of the stuff like constant conspiracy theories, blaming America for killing babies, and demanding we turn a blind eye to criminal behavior that these acts don't constitute some degree of malice?

There are more than two propaganda mills. How about all this hate towards our own military? And yet Hillary Clinton wants us out there fighting for other nation's democracy. And she is a liberal. She is a HAWK just as much as any republican. Likewise is the idea of service to your country. Civil Service is just as acceptable as Military service (NOT COUNTING POLITICS). Yet only a small percentage of the Liberals I know actually DO any real Civil Service. There are far too many arm chair intellectuals on both sides but at least the Conservatives are unhappy with our deficit, abuses of our laws, and were more business friendly especially!

That is one issue I forgot, they want us to be a 100% clean green society but don't take into account the damage their laws have done to industry here. There should be more reward for business that makes their manufacturing cleaner. Not hand them a thank you letter and tax the shitte out of them! We are loosing our ability to innovate faster than others. That will destroy what was one thing that made America great. Liberal policies are robbing us of our leading edge in a VERY COMPETITIVE WORLD! And for what? Ideals? Global Warming? Spotted Owls? Geez!

I don't get involved in all these liberal vs conservative arguments.

My post refers to the title of this thread which IS A LOADED QUESTION that assumes that Liberals hate America.

It is rhetoric.

So have you stopped beating your wife yet?

The Democratic Party's platform is more of a totalitarian platform than a liberal platform. It's unfortunate that Republicans allowed the Democratic party to redefine the words "left", "right", "liberal" and "conservative". It's so bad that people actually think that Liberal and Conservative are opposites on the political spectrum! I'm a Republican and I'm easily one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet. Liberals love liberty and I loves me some liberty. I don't see the Democratic party supporting liberty on just about any front other than sex and drugs and then, their support isn't based on principles or reason, but simply cold political calculation.

I dont know from conservative or liberal,, but points of concern from both party sites

Republican Issues

Education
Economy
Courts
National defense
Healthcare
Energy



Democratic Issues

Civil Rights
Economy
Education
Energy Independence
Environment
Fair Elections
Healthcare
Immigration
National Security
Open Government
Science and Technology
Retirement Security
Voting Rights

Republican's more strongly supported (than Democrats) the Civil rights Amendment and the voting rights act. The Republican's also strongly (and almost exclusively) support Voucher Programs that allow poor families to send their kids to better schools. Republicans support drilling for oil and building new Nuclear plants (Democrats largely don't), which leads to Energy independence. A Republican passed the National Parks act.

Your list is very wrong and skewed to your own political bias or limited by your own understanding of the two parties principles.

Like you mention "Open Government", but Obama broke every promise of transparency he made. Nancy Pelosi promised to "drain the swamp", but the Democratic Party didn't demand that the criminals and people of low moral character in their caucus resign. And you mention that the Democrats consider "Retirement Security" an issue, but don't mention it for Republicans, when they have been trying to get the system overhauled since the 80's. It doesn't matter how much Democrats consider "Retirement Security" an issue, if they don't have any plans to prevent Social Security and Medicare from going bankrupt.

Not really. Traditionally conservatives just don't want big changes. Conservatives don't want big government involvement. (I dont find many current republicans to be conservative) Government run things are against what a true conservative believes in (to an extend).

Really? Isn't it conservatives who want to pass laws against abortion?

Conservative is not the opposite of liberal, Conservative isn't even on the same political axis as liberal.

The Political axis are Liberal - Totalitarian / Conservative - Progressive.

People fall into four basic groups:

Liberal Conservative
Liberal Progressive
Authoritarian Conservative
Authoritarian Progressive

Being Conservative doesn't mean you oppose big government, you might be an Authoritarian Conservative, like John McCain or Bush 41. Being Progressive doesn't mean you want more liberty, you could just want to "change" America to give the Government more power, like President Obama.

Anti-abortion laws aren't telling women how to live their lives so much as it is letting their babies live their lives.

You know I do see that since you put it in those terms. i do admit some liberals really do love this nation but there are a lot who don't. They are the ones so eager for sweeping change rather than sweeping reform! But you are right about the question, it is loaded. Unfortunately it does have a certain merit considering how viciously passive aggressive some liberals come off and we all know that sometimes the person blowing their trumpet the loudest makes others think that is the tune the group that person is with plays by.

I guess you have never been pregnant.

see there,, much too personal

my 'skewed' list comes DIRECTLY from the official websites of both parties,,,

its what they prioritized to place on their platform,, not me,,,

That proves that people just have attitudes.

Your point? Liberals want to pass laws about gun control.

You are missing the point. They say our rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. Many republicans believe life starts at conception thus that is when that childs rights begin thus your right to terminate it doesnt exist. That is their theory. Its only telling you what to do as much as saying you can't just go kill someone. (in their eyes).

I mean its not like people magically become pregnant. Its the result of sex.

Now I have no personal opinion on abortion I am just trying to explain their point of view and how it contradicts your statement.

Oh those pesky facts sure are anoying.

Oh I am aware of their point of view. They still have no right to tell a woman that she has to carry a baby to term and give birth.

If a republican believes that, its fine with me. Then they shouldn't have abortion if they get pregnant. THAT IS THEIR LIFE.

But if anyone tries to someone else that they must carry a baby to term, then they are infringing on their rights.

If they think that a fetus is a person, then they should develop a program that would to let them take out the fetus and put it inside of someone else who wants a baby and let them carry it to term and then raise it.

I think that is what they should do, rather than try to force women to have the baby.

How soon they forget people like Rick Santorum (he and his cheering section wanted to 'fix' Social Security by eliminating it) and GWB claiming that his 2004 election was a 'mandate' to privatize Social Security. The American People knew all too well what would have happened had GBW gotten his way and Wall St. gotten their mitts on the funds.

Quick--- tell me what you would have now if you'd been fully invested in Lehman Bros or Bear Stearns?

Republicans grabbed 'the 3rd rail' of Social Security in 2006 and got, as GWB put it, 'a thumpin'.

-Kerry O.

So, would you care to explain the cold, hard, calculating truth behind this Ann Coulter quote about Social Security?




-Kerry O.

devils advocate, but if 'life' is truly believed to start in the womb then it makes sense for people to have a concern over what others do with those lives

its consistent IF one believes life in the womb is as significant as life after the womb

we wouldnt tell women they could kill their children when they became too burdensome or took too much for them physically and I dont think our response about those women who took such action
would be


'just dont kill your kid if you dont think its right, but you have no right to tell other parents what to do with their kids unless you are going to take care of them for them'


I think the issue of the significance of life is a valid one, and not so easily shrugged off with a 'if you dont agree just dont do it'....