Topic: Ladies and Gentlemen, I Give You . . . .
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Tue 07/26/11 09:38 AM
. . . . . . . . . . THE TEA PARTIERS

Here;'s the story:
A small political gathering of about 18 liberal thinkers at River Forks Park Sunday afternoon erupted in conflict when about 35 members of the conservative tea party intruded upon the meeting, waving flags and holding signs accusing the rival group of being communists, Marxists and socialists.

The liberal group — organized by MoveOn.org — decided to leave the park and move its potluck to a nearby home. Members of the conservative group followed, parking at the entrance of a private lane leading to the home to continue their protest.

Roseburg Democrats Dean and Sara Byers said Monday they told tea party members who followed that they were not welcome to drive down the lane to their home.

The Byerses said they got out of their car to stop vehicles from entering the driveway and one tea party member almost ran them over.

Sara Byers said she was so shaken she called 911. She said a Douglas County deputy called about an hour and a half later and said he had been unable to respond because of other incidents. Byers said she was still considering filing a criminal complaint against members of the tea party for harassment.

A leader of the tea party group, Rich Raynor of Roseburg, disputed the liberal group's version of events.

“They are liars,” said Raynor, director of Douglas County Americans for Prosperity. “That is what communists do.”

Members of the smaller group said Monday they were intimidated by the tea partiers, whom they accused of violating their constitutional right to peacefully assembly.

Roseburg resident Lillen Fifield, 70, called the group's actions an “act of domestic terrorism” and said she was appalled that a peaceful gathering — mostly of women older than 65 — was interrupted.

“It is not OK to go around and intimidate and threaten people. That is not acceptable in a polite society,” Fifield said.

Conservative organizers defended their actions and said they will continue to protest similar gatherings.

“We were there to find out what they had to say and to bring a notice to the public that this kind of thing was going on. Quite honestly, if they have it again, then we are really going to make it well known,” Raynor said.

Raynor said the group believes MoveOn.org is a communist front and said he would not stand for America becoming a fascist nation.

Sara Byers said she could not believe the meeting was targeted for protest. She said the group supports the middle class and wants to take back the government from the stranglehold of corporations.

She laughed at the accusations of communism and said the two groups actually have more in common than people think.

“I just said, ‘Are you kidding me?' ” Byers said.

Tea party members posted a 2:46-minute video of the confrontation in the park and added captions.

On the video, heckling members of the larger group celebrate breaking up the meeting.

“That sure did it in a hurry, huh?” a man says. A woman references next year's election year and shouts, “Sure shows who is going to win! We are!”

As one woman packs up to leave, a man in a leather jacket tauntingly offers to carry her things.

“Do you want me to help? I mean if you are leaving, I'll help,” the man says in the video. A caption added to the video reads, “I'll help, just leave! And take your Marxist agenda with you.”

Raynor maintained the tea party's goal was to attend the meeting and hear what the rival group had to say.

He said the fact that they stopped the meeting and left proves they have something to hide.

Sutherlin conservative Karen Meier said she posed as a MoveOn.org member and infiltrated the group's meeting prior to the confrontation. She said she found many of the liberals to be pleasant.

“Obviously, they don't really know what MoveOn is and who it entails,” Meier said.

A MoveOn.org meeting attendee Lorna Hayden of Roseburg said the tea party mischaracterized the nature of the meeting. Still, any group, no matter what its agenda, has a right to be in the park Sunday without being harassed, she said.

Raynor said the tea party never threatened anyone with violence and said no one brought guns to the confrontation. He said he urged his group to be civil but also to stand up against a group they believe is harming America.

“It is not our fault that we outnumber them,” Raynor said. “The philosophy they espouse is not a live-and-let-live philosophy. ... I am fearful for my children and my grandchildren.”

• You can reach reporter Heather Morse at 541-957-4208 or by email at hmorse@nrtoday.com.
http://www.nrtoday.com/ARTICLE/20110720/NEWS/110729987/1063/NEWS

There's a video you can click on.

Now you tell me. Who are the Brownshirts, here?

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Tue 07/26/11 10:07 AM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 07/26/11 10:14 AM
Raynor said the group believes MoveOn.org is a communist front and said he would not stand for America becoming a fascist nation.



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com·mu·nism
noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Definition of COMMUNISM
1
a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2
capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively







fas·cism
noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized



Uhhh ...... been a while but from my history lessons I really don't remember Stalin and Hitler having the same ideas and getting along.


Almost forgot.....so these 'liberal thinkers' were they Communists or Fascists? I'm confused now.

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Tue 07/26/11 10:49 AM
Tea Party violence again? OH NO, Conservatives in Military Uniforms and Brown Shirts are out to get me!!!

rofl

Dragoness's photo
Tue 07/26/11 11:24 AM
Lower intelligence doesn't know how to get their point across without intimidation or violence.noway It is sadly also hard to get a point across to them without doing what they understand. slaphead

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Tue 07/26/11 11:37 AM

Lower intelligence doesn't know how to get their point across without intimidation or violence.noway It is sadly also hard to get a point across to them without doing what they understand. slaphead


That's exactly what I said about the Black Panthers at that Ohio polling place in 08!

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Tue 07/26/11 11:54 AM
Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!

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Tue 07/26/11 12:49 PM


Lower intelligence doesn't know how to get their point across without intimidation or violence.noway It is sadly also hard to get a point across to them without doing what they understand. slaphead


That's exactly what I said about the Black Panthers at that Ohio polling place in 08!


Yea except the intimidation was imaginary in that scenerio. Made up story.


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Tue 07/26/11 12:51 PM

Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!


That wasn't verified either. Another made up story,

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Tue 07/26/11 04:40 PM


Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!


That wasn't verified either. Another made up story,


BALONEY it wasn't! And the black panthers story was not made up. They became violently militant lately. So next?

ACORN was busted in several private investigations and one fed investigation. And that is a lie?

Everything is a lie to you. Ain't it???

Dragoness's photo
Tue 07/26/11 06:15 PM



Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!


That wasn't verified either. Another made up story,


BALONEY it wasn't! And the black panthers story was not made up. They became violently militant lately. So next?

ACORN was busted in several private investigations and one fed investigation. And that is a lie?

Everything is a lie to you. Ain't it???


When it isn't true, it isn't true.

There was no intimidation charges filed because none happened in either case.

So that equates to not valid.

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Tue 07/26/11 06:21 PM




Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!


That wasn't verified either. Another made up story,


BALONEY it wasn't! And the black panthers story was not made up. They became violently militant lately. So next?

ACORN was busted in several private investigations and one fed investigation. And that is a lie?

Everything is a lie to you. Ain't it???


When it isn't true, it isn't true.

There was no intimidation charges filed because none happened in either case.

So that equates to not valid.

Wow where do we begin? So if there are no charges filed then things don't exist? So every crime in America where the criminal was never caught never actually happened. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Thu 07/28/11 09:35 AM
BALONEY it wasn't! And the black panthers story was not made up. They became violently militant lately. So next?

ACORN was busted in several private investigations and one fed investigation. And that is a lie?

Everything is a lie to you. Ain't it???


The acorn story was totally bogus. The New Black Panthers story was totally mischaracterized. two or three self-styled New Black Panthers show up at a polling to prevent black people from being intimidated by ******* Teabaggers. No threats or threatening actions.

But, this all misses the point. It's one thing to perpetrating rude and insulting actions at a polling place or a rally, where feelings are running high, but to have to put up with over-the-top behavior when you're trying to have a private picnic. That's beyond the pale.

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Thu 07/28/11 09:37 AM





Let us not forget the intimidation antics of ACORN at polling places either!


That wasn't verified either. Another made up story,


BALONEY it wasn't! And the black panthers story was not made up. They became violently militant lately. So next?

ACORN was busted in several private investigations and one fed investigation. And that is a lie?

Everything is a lie to you. Ain't it???


When it isn't true, it isn't true.

There was no intimidation charges filed because none happened in either case.

So that equates to not valid.

Wow where do we begin? So if there are no charges filed then things don't exist? So every crime in America where the criminal was never caught never actually happened. Thanks for clearing that up.


it's only true when republicans are involved...whoa

TJN's photo
Thu 07/28/11 09:46 AM

Lower intelligence doesn't know how to get their point across without intimidation or violence.noway It is sadly also hard to get a point across to them without doing what they understand. slaphead

Just like all the union members in Madison, WI protesting Governor Walkers budget.
And the union members threatening violence against members of the WI state congress if they voted for the budget. And the union members protesting outside of governor Walkers personal residence in Wauwatosa threatenig his children while he was in Madison.

See a pattern here?

InvictusV's photo
Thu 07/28/11 12:36 PM

. . . . . . . . . . THE TEA PARTIERS

Here;'s the story:
A small political gathering of about 18 liberal thinkers at River Forks Park Sunday afternoon erupted in conflict when about 35 members of the conservative tea party intruded upon the meeting, waving flags and holding signs accusing the rival group of being communists, Marxists and socialists.

The liberal group — organized by MoveOn.org — decided to leave the park and move its potluck to a nearby home. Members of the conservative group followed, parking at the entrance of a private lane leading to the home to continue their protest.

Roseburg Democrats Dean and Sara Byers said Monday they told tea party members who followed that they were not welcome to drive down the lane to their home.

The Byerses said they got out of their car to stop vehicles from entering the driveway and one tea party member almost ran them over.

Sara Byers said she was so shaken she called 911. She said a Douglas County deputy called about an hour and a half later and said he had been unable to respond because of other incidents. Byers said she was still considering filing a criminal complaint against members of the tea party for harassment.

A leader of the tea party group, Rich Raynor of Roseburg, disputed the liberal group's version of events.

“They are liars,” said Raynor, director of Douglas County Americans for Prosperity. “That is what communists do.”

Members of the smaller group said Monday they were intimidated by the tea partiers, whom they accused of violating their constitutional right to peacefully assembly.

Roseburg resident Lillen Fifield, 70, called the group's actions an “act of domestic terrorism” and said she was appalled that a peaceful gathering — mostly of women older than 65 — was interrupted.

“It is not OK to go around and intimidate and threaten people. That is not acceptable in a polite society,” Fifield said.

Conservative organizers defended their actions and said they will continue to protest similar gatherings.

“We were there to find out what they had to say and to bring a notice to the public that this kind of thing was going on. Quite honestly, if they have it again, then we are really going to make it well known,” Raynor said.

Raynor said the group believes MoveOn.org is a communist front and said he would not stand for America becoming a fascist nation.

Sara Byers said she could not believe the meeting was targeted for protest. She said the group supports the middle class and wants to take back the government from the stranglehold of corporations.

She laughed at the accusations of communism and said the two groups actually have more in common than people think.

“I just said, ‘Are you kidding me?' ” Byers said.

Tea party members posted a 2:46-minute video of the confrontation in the park and added captions.

On the video, heckling members of the larger group celebrate breaking up the meeting.

“That sure did it in a hurry, huh?” a man says. A woman references next year's election year and shouts, “Sure shows who is going to win! We are!”

As one woman packs up to leave, a man in a leather jacket tauntingly offers to carry her things.

“Do you want me to help? I mean if you are leaving, I'll help,” the man says in the video. A caption added to the video reads, “I'll help, just leave! And take your Marxist agenda with you.”

Raynor maintained the tea party's goal was to attend the meeting and hear what the rival group had to say.

He said the fact that they stopped the meeting and left proves they have something to hide.

Sutherlin conservative Karen Meier said she posed as a MoveOn.org member and infiltrated the group's meeting prior to the confrontation. She said she found many of the liberals to be pleasant.

“Obviously, they don't really know what MoveOn is and who it entails,” Meier said.

A MoveOn.org meeting attendee Lorna Hayden of Roseburg said the tea party mischaracterized the nature of the meeting. Still, any group, no matter what its agenda, has a right to be in the park Sunday without being harassed, she said.

Raynor said the tea party never threatened anyone with violence and said no one brought guns to the confrontation. He said he urged his group to be civil but also to stand up against a group they believe is harming America.

“It is not our fault that we outnumber them,” Raynor said. “The philosophy they espouse is not a live-and-let-live philosophy. ... I am fearful for my children and my grandchildren.”

• You can reach reporter Heather Morse at 541-957-4208 or by email at hmorse@nrtoday.com.
http://www.nrtoday.com/ARTICLE/20110720/NEWS/110729987/1063/NEWS

There's a video you can click on.

Now you tell me. Who are the Brownshirts, here?


Too bad I missed it..

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Thu 07/28/11 02:20 PM
Too bad I missed it..


Why does that not surprise me?

Dragoness's photo
Thu 07/28/11 02:31 PM


Lower intelligence doesn't know how to get their point across without intimidation or violence.noway It is sadly also hard to get a point across to them without doing what they understand. slaphead

Just like all the union members in Madison, WI protesting Governor Walkers budget.
And the union members threatening violence against members of the WI state congress if they voted for the budget. And the union members protesting outside of governor Walkers personal residence in Wauwatosa threatenig his children while he was in Madison.

See a pattern here?


Lower intelligence is not party specific nor non union or pro union.

If charges are filed then it was a real threatening situation otherwise it may not be all that the gossip mongers tell.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 07/28/11 02:38 PM

Too bad I missed it..


Why does that not surprise me?


ha ha