Topic: Despite my feelings for him, this just might work
Peccy's photo
Mon 07/18/11 11:42 AM
Representative Ron Paul has hit upon a remarkably creative way to deal with the impasse over the debt ceiling: have the Federal Reserve Board destroy the $1.6 trillion in government bonds it now holds. While at first blush this idea may seem crazy, on more careful thought it is actually a very reasonable way to deal with the crisis. Furthermore, it provides a way to have lasting savings to the budget.

The basic story is that the Fed has bought roughly $1.6 trillion in government bonds through its various quantitative easing programs over the last two and a half years. This money is part of the $14.3 trillion debt that is subject to the debt ceiling. However, the Fed is an agency of the government. Its assets are in fact assets of the government. Each year, the Fed refunds the interest earned on its assets in excess of the money needed to cover its operating expenses. Last year the Fed refunded almost $80 billion to the Treasury. In this sense, the bonds held by the Fed are literally money that the government owes to itself.

Unlike the debt held by Social Security, the debt held by the Fed is not tied to any specific obligations. The bonds held by the Fed are assets of the Fed. It has no obligations that it must use these assets to meet. There is no one who loses their retirement income if the Fed doesn’t have its bonds. In fact, there is no direct loss of income to anyone associated with the Fed’s destruction of its bonds. This means that if Congress told the Fed to burn the bonds, it would in effect just be destroying a liability that the government had to itself, but it would still reduce the debt subject to the debt ceiling by $1.6 trillion. This would buy the country considerable breathing room before the debt ceiling had to be raised again. President Obama and the Republican congressional leadership could have close to two years to talk about potential spending cuts or tax increases. Maybe they could even talk a little about jobs.

In addition, there’s a second reason why Representative Paul’s plan is such a good idea. As it stands now, the Fed plans to sell off its bond holdings over the next few years. This means that the interest paid on these bonds would go to banks, corporations, pension funds, and individual investors who purchase them from the Fed. In this case, the interest payments would be a burden to the Treasury since the Fed would no longer be collecting (and refunding) the interest.

To be sure, there would be consequences to the Fed destroying these bonds. The Fed had planned to sell off the bonds to absorb reserves that it had pumped into the banking system when it originally purchased the bonds. These reserves can be created by the Fed when it has need to do so, as was the case with the quantitative easing policy. Creating reserves is in effect a way of “printing money.” During a period of high unemployment, this can boost the economy with little fear of inflation, since there are many unemployed workers and excess capacity to keep downward pressure on wages and prices. However, at some point the economy will presumably recover and inflation will be a risk. This is why the Fed intends to sell off its bonds in future years. Doing so would reduce the reserves of the banking system, thereby limiting lending and preventing inflation. If the Fed doesn’t have the bonds, however, then it can’t sell them off to soak up reserves.

But as it turns out, there are other mechanisms for restricting lending, most obviously raising the reserve requirements for banks. If banks are forced to keep a larger share of their deposits on reserve (rather than lend them out), it has the same effect as reducing the amount of reserves. To take a simple arithmetic example, if the reserve requirement is 10 percent and banks have $1 trillion in reserves, the system will support the same amount of lending as when the reserve requirement is 20 percent and the banks have $2 trillion in reserves. In principle, the Fed can reach any target for lending limits by raising reserve requirements rather than reducing reserves.

As a practical matter, the Fed has rarely used changes in the reserve requirement as an instrument for adjusting the amount of lending in the system. Its main tool has been changing the amount of reserves in the system. However, these are not ordinary times. The Fed does not typically buy mortgage backed securities or long-term government bonds either. It has been doing both over the last two years precisely because this downturn is so extraordinary. And in extraordinary times, it is appropriate to take extraordinary measures—like the Fed destroying its $1.6 trillion in government bonds and using increases in reserve requirements to limit lending and prevent inflation.

In short, Representative Paul has produced a very creative plan that has two enormously helpful outcomes. The first one is that the destruction of the Fed’s $1.6 trillion in bond holdings immediately gives us plenty of borrowing capacity under the current debt ceiling. The second benefit is that it will substantially reduce the government’s interest burden over the coming decades. This is a proposal that deserves serious consideration, even from people who may not like its source.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/91224/ron-paul-debt-ceiling-federal-reserve

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Mon 07/18/11 12:02 PM
Considering my understanding of this is limited. It actually sounds from this article like a feasible option. Did you look up to see if there are any rebuttals from reliable sources?

Peccy's photo
Mon 07/18/11 12:25 PM
Nah....actually doing this between posting in my store. Just seemed strangely logical considering the source......lol

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Mon 07/18/11 12:25 PM
Edited by Peccy on Mon 07/18/11 12:25 PM
double post

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Mon 07/18/11 12:31 PM
I can't find any rebuttals to it.

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Mon 07/18/11 12:34 PM
just some random and interesting facts about the debt



The U.S. government has piled up the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world. Just consider a few shocking facts about this unprecedented debt….

*If the U.S. national debt (more than 14 trillion dollars) was reduced to a stack of 5 dollar bills, it would reach three quarters of the way to the moon.(roughly, 250,000-300,000 miles)...

*The U.S. government borrows about 168 million dollars every single hour.

*If Bill Gates gave every penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for 15 days.

*It is now being projected that by the year 2021, interest payments on the national debt will amount to $1.1 trillion dollars a year.

In a previous article on The American Dream, I detailed some more absolutely horrifying statistics about U.S. government debt….

#1 If you divide the national debt up equally among all U.S. households, each one owes a staggering $125,475.18.

#2 The federal government has borrowed 29,660 more dollars per household since Barack Obama signed the economic stimulus law two years ago.

#3 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.

#4 In the new budget that the Obama administration has proposed, the U.S. government would spend 3.7 trillion dollars in 2012 and by 2021 the U.S. government would be spending a whopping 5.6 trillion dollars per year.

#5 The U.S. government currently has to borrow approximately 41 cents of every single dollar that it spends.

#6 The total compensation that the federal government workforce earned last year came to a grand total of approximately 447 billion dollars.

#7 The U.S. national debt is currently rising by well over 4 billion dollars every single day.

#8 The U.S. government is borrowing over 2 million more dollars every single minute.

#9 The U.S. national debt is over 14 times larger than it was just 30 years ago.

#10 Unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare are estimated to be well over $100 trillion, and nobody in the U.S. government seems to have any idea how we are actually even going to come close to meeting all of those obligations.

#11 If you were alive when Christ was born and you spent one million dollars every single day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now. But this year alone the U.S. government is going to go about 1.6 trillion dollars more into debt.

#12 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.

So have our politicians learned anything from the mistakes of the past?

No.

The U.S. government continues to spend money on some of the most ridiculous things imaginable. For example, the Department of Health and Human Services has just announced a brand new $500 million program that will, among other things, seek to solve the problem of 5-year-old children that “can’t sit still” in a kindergarten classroom.

Isn’t it good to see the government investing our hard-earned tax dollars so wisely?

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Mon 07/18/11 12:35 PM
I did some Googling and couldn't find anybody who thought it was a bad idea. even some who were trying. We haven't heard from the economics heavy hitters yet.

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Mon 07/18/11 12:54 PM
i read an article on that 1.6 trillion, and it is sitting in foreign banks, that are own by the US, and we are currently paying a 0.25% interest on this money... i've been looking for the article, but i haven't found it yet, something about QE2 investments...

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Mon 07/18/11 01:25 PM


..ya know with all the people in government ..it takes someone like Ron Paul to at least come up with a feasible idea in order to reduce the debt..if in fact they were to do this..would it not make one wonder just what the heck we are paying all these people in government for..i wonder if that 1.6 trillion has anything to do with the 1.7 trillion theyve taken from social security..hmmm

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Mon 07/18/11 04:09 PM
Isn’t it good to see the government investing our hard-earned tax dollars so wisely?

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Mon 07/18/11 04:12 PM

Isn’t it good to see the government investing our hard-earned tax dollars so wisely?

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topic police?... is that an offense? do you not like the truth?

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Mon 07/18/11 04:32 PM
topic police?... is that an offense? do you not like the truth?


It's just funny when you spend a lot of time preparing an essay with lots of figures and bullet points only to find that there's no place to put it, so you just slip it into any thread that's handy.

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Mon 07/18/11 04:38 PM

topic police?... is that an offense? do you not like the truth?


It's just funny when you spend a lot of time preparing an essay with lots of figures and bullet points only to find that there's no place to put it, so you just slip it into any thread that's handy.

yea, so?...

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Mon 07/18/11 08:35 PM


topic police?... is that an offense? do you not like the truth?


It's just funny when you spend a lot of time preparing an essay with lots of figures and bullet points only to find that there's no place to put it, so you just slip it into any thread that's handy.

yea, so?...
push those buttons... lol ok artie, it's no big deal. At least it was on the broad topic (the budget) and wasn't on something like abortion.

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Mon 07/18/11 08:53 PM
Here's how I understand this: The Fed is quasi-private, it sits in the DMZ between private and Government and doesn't do any of the reporting that is required of either.

Ron Paul is trying to put them into a catch-22. If they claim to be a private bank, then they come under the scrutiny of the Congress as any other private bank would. If they claim they are Government, then Congress can force them to destroy the bonds. He's a very clever guy. In chess, this would be a stalemate, but since this is real life, the Fed might still be forced to make a fatal move.

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Mon 07/18/11 10:01 PM

Here's how I understand this: The Fed is quasi-private, it sits in the DMZ between private and Government and doesn't do any of the reporting that is required of either.

Ron Paul is trying to put them into a catch-22. If they claim to be a private bank, then they come under the scrutiny of the Congress as any other private bank would. If they claim they are Government, then Congress can force them to destroy the bonds. He's a very clever guy. In chess, this would be a stalemate, but since this is real life, the Fed might still be forced to make a fatal move.


what i'm understanding, is the money is still there, just sitting in US owned foreign banks, doing nothing...