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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. Personally I think the military and such is why we have so much debt problems to start with, or one of them, given how much we spend on those things. |
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Those who run a company have the legal and moral obligations to keep the contracts they agree to and treat their employees humanely. That's the extent, I would say, of their moral obligation. not only is that not the extent of the obligations of those who run a company you left out the first and formost obligation those who run a company have; that being the obligation they have to the shareholders to provide a positive return on investment. every other obligation is subserviant. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... They do a budget every year (or at least they are supposed to). The budget should be made readable to individual citizens. If you haven't read any laws created by congress, they are basically unreadable. They refer to other laws and say basically "change this word to X". It's ridiculous. That's why we still don't know what all is in ObamaCare. Transparency starts with the naming of laws, they should be named for what they do, not given some catchy name like TARP or PATRIOT ACT. Another change that has to happen is that bills should only cover one topic, no more adding new funding for pig research into a bill to fund the military. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... Yeah and the voting system is a joke too. Our votes mean about as much a piece of fluff on a suit, that is to say, not very much. And it's no more impossible than to ask us to try and understand a "law" the size of a damn dictionary. You wanna talk impossible? That would about be it. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... Yeah and the voting system is a joke too. Our votes mean about as much a piece of fluff on a suit, that is to say, not very much. And it's no more impossible than to ask us to try and understand a "law" the size of a damn dictionary. You wanna talk impossible? That would about be it. quit voting for lawyers then.... |
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Those who run a company have the legal and moral obligations to keep the contracts they agree to and treat their employees humanely. That's the extent, I would say, of their moral obligation. not only is that not the extent of the obligations of those who run a company you left out the first and formost obligation those who run a company have; that being the obligation they have to the shareholders to provide a positive return on investment. every other obligation is subserviant. I didn't say it was the extent of their obligations, I said it was the extent of their "legal and moral" obligations. If the business is run legally, then it could be shut down or fined, which would hurt the shareholders. If it isn't run ethically, then the company could be boycotted, which would hurt the shareholders. Any company that wants to stay in business today, will obey the law, follow their contracts and do business in an ethical manner. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... They do a budget every year (or at least they are supposed to). The budget should be made readable to individual citizens. If you haven't read any laws created by congress, they are basically unreadable. They refer to other laws and say basically "change this word to X". It's ridiculous. That's why we still don't know what all is in ObamaCare. Transparency starts with the naming of laws, they should be named for what they do, not given some catchy name like TARP or PATRIOT ACT. Another change that has to happen is that bills should only cover one topic, no more adding new funding for pig research into a bill to fund the military. Totally agreed, they make the legislature so big, and name it as they do solely so they can get away with the crap they do in them, and make them palatable to the people at large. After all, who's gonna have the time to read a 1,000 page bill before they vote on it, or gonna be against a bill with a name like the Patriot Act? |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... I would say it's more money that's plain stolen from us. It's only legal for them because they are the ones doing it. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... Yeah and the voting system is a joke too. Our votes mean about as much a piece of fluff on a suit, that is to say, not very much. And it's no more impossible than to ask us to try and understand a "law" the size of a damn dictionary. You wanna talk impossible? That would about be it. quit voting for lawyers then.... I don't vote anymore, I think it's meaningless quite frankly. The whole thing is rigged, and we're all the losers. |
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Those who run a company have the legal and moral obligations to keep the contracts they agree to and treat their employees humanely. That's the extent, I would say, of their moral obligation. not only is that not the extent of the obligations of those who run a company you left out the first and formost obligation those who run a company have; that being the obligation they have to the shareholders to provide a positive return on investment. every other obligation is subserviant. I didn't say it was the extent of their obligations, I said it was the extent of their "legal and moral" obligations. If the business is run legally, then it could be shut down or fined, which would hurt the shareholders. If it isn't run ethically, then the company could be boycotted, which would hurt the shareholders. Any company that wants to stay in business today, will obey the law, follow their contracts and do business in an ethical manner. shareholders are not designed to lose money... if a business is fined, they just raise prices so that the only people losing is the consumers... |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... Yeah and the voting system is a joke too. Our votes mean about as much a piece of fluff on a suit, that is to say, not very much. And it's no more impossible than to ask us to try and understand a "law" the size of a damn dictionary. You wanna talk impossible? That would about be it. quit voting for lawyers then.... I don't vote anymore, I think it's meaningless quite frankly. The whole thing is rigged, and we're all the losers. then your a big part of the problem your crying about here... if nobody voted, the government can do what it wants... |
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along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... No, because we are their employers. They get a paycheck, which we don't have the right to know how they spend. They have the duty to spend the Government's budget responsibly and we have every right to know that they have. If my boss said "What have you been doing today", I would have to tell him, right? That's what we need to be able to do to our Government. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... I would say it's more money that's plain stolen from us. It's only legal for them because they are the ones doing it. a government has to have income.. name one country throughout history that didn't charge taxes... |
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mightymoe said... shareholders are not designed to lose money... if a business is fined, they just raise prices so that the only people losing is the consumers... And when the value of their shares go down, they lose money, right? Not actual paper money, but their money on paper goes down. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. thats why there is a voting system, so you can vote for people to spend the money more closely to how you want... but no 1 person can say what the government is spending money on, that is just impossible... Yeah and the voting system is a joke too. Our votes mean about as much a piece of fluff on a suit, that is to say, not very much. And it's no more impossible than to ask us to try and understand a "law" the size of a damn dictionary. You wanna talk impossible? That would about be it. quit voting for lawyers then.... I don't vote anymore, I think it's meaningless quite frankly. The whole thing is rigged, and we're all the losers. then your a big part of the problem your crying about here... if nobody voted, the government can do what it wants... Actually if no one voted, their system of control would collapse. Or better yet, if people stopped voting for either party, and voted Independent instead. The whole two party system is how they have gained all this power, making it seem like that's the only choice (which is really two sides of the same coin), when it's not. It's much like if everyone stopped paying taxes. They need us a lot more than we need them. |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... I would say it's more money that's plain stolen from us. It's only legal for them because they are the ones doing it. a government has to have income.. name one country throughout history that didn't charge taxes... Name one that wasn't corrupt too in so doing. |
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along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... No, because we are their employers. They get a paycheck, which we don't have the right to know how they spend. They have the duty to spend the Government's budget responsibly and we have every right to know that they have. If my boss said "What have you been doing today", I would have to tell him, right? That's what we need to be able to do to our Government. and just who would answer that? does one person in the government know? how many different parts and divisions in the government are there? does the right hand know what the left hand is doing? any answer you get would be a lie, because there is no way to know... |
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does your boss require absolute proof were you are spending your paycheck? do you require absolute proof where the grocery store is spending the money you spend there? why is where the government spends money any of your business? i mean, everyone else lies about what they are spending money on, but your only mad at the government? and with all the spending the government does, just how big would this list be? face it, the government doesn't owe us any explanations on things that are none of our business... do you think they should tell us they are spending money on top secret projects? Your paycheck is your money, not your employers. Taxes are the individuals money taken to support the society. The citizens should have the right to know, as members of the society, how their tax money is being spent. Sunshine laws were enacted to give us greater access to government meetings. We need transparency laws that will require budgetary transparency. I don't expect that military and intelligence community spending could be entirely transparent, but the rest of the Government should be. along your lines of reasoning here, when your paying taxes, it is their money, not yours, the same exact thing your saying about paychecks... I would say it's more money that's plain stolen from us. It's only legal for them because they are the ones doing it. a government has to have income.. name one country throughout history that didn't charge taxes... Name one that wasn't corrupt too in so doing. lol, the government itself is not corrupt... the people in it are, which comes back to the voting thing again... |
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What constitutes human treatment Spider?
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