Oh God,

Do I have to say EVERYTHING all over again?????

The VERY first thing I said was we will never understand or be able to defeat our enemy until we can acknowledge we ARE fighting a religion. As long as we deny it, we will never really know what we are doing or how to effectively fight it.

Once again, it comes down to a few pieces of their faith. Their view of Heaven and Hell, how they get there, when they get there and what they can do about it. The ONLY way any Muslim is guaranteed to go to Heaven is to die in a Jihad. A holy war. A war against unbelievers to convert them to Islam.

Muslims believe everyone has a mark on their foot that will predetermine if they will go to Heaven or Hell. If they live a righteous life but have the mark for Hell, they will do something right at the end that will condemn them to Hell. And if they have a mark for Heaven, they can lead a vile life but will do something righteous right at the end that will send them to Heaven. But, Allah populates both Heaven and Hell. If he gets to you and there are too many in Heaven and not enough in Hell, you go to Hell regardless of what is on your foot. Everyone that dies is stuck in the ground until the end of time. That is when they will move on to the after life. The exception being, if you die in a Jihad, You go instantly to Heaven. Allah loves the Jihadist.

That plus Muhammad both preaching and leading his followers in Jihad is more than enough motivation for them.

What do you think motivates teenagers to kill themselves for the glory of Allah?

As long as everyone keeps thinking of Islam as "just another religion," we are in BIG trouble.

Did you watch the video? Did you read about those riots? Do you understand they were calling for the death of Denmark, Europe and the United States for a cartoon being drawn? Do you understand they really meant that? That was not an exaggeration for them?

When was the last time you saw ANY other religion have a protest that looked anything like that? Do you still think it is just a justification of perverse behaviors? Do you realize that was only a very small group of people that had the same opinions of thousands or tens of thousand (at the VERY least) that had the exact same opinion?

Do you understand that in a Muslim nation a basic education means you know the Quran? Do you understand that children are to memorize the Quran and are exalted for the memory of it?

Their society is nothing like what you know. As long as you keep putting your personal beliefs and experiences on how they are behaving, you won't understand the motivations of their behavior.

I really truly feel like this ---

Denial is a fun state to live in, but the Muslim nation is rising. Birthrates for Muslims is about twice that of the rest of the world. They will eventually rule the world just by having more kids.

I am trying to find it back. Saw a study from the CIA a few years ago that showed the disproportionate control Muslims had as a percentage of population. At 5% of the country's population, the country is passing laws to allow Muslims to live more freely. 10% they start demanding concessions. 25% is a Muslim nation that tolerates other religions. 50% is total Muslim domination where there is no rule but the Quran. 75% and other religions are persecuted.

Those numbers aren't correct and the degrees may vary slightly but it is fairly close to what I remember. They also projected Muslim future growth in all countries. I think by like 2030 Europe is a complete Islamic state and the US is at about 15% of the population.

I know I don't want to live under Islamic law. If you don't mind that, then feel free to ignore all I have just said.

oh, almost forgot. Muslims are told to befriend their enemy and play possum if in a land that is not accepting of Islam. So, those Muslims you know that are good hearted people, there could be true believers among them that are only pretending to be your friend. There are specific concessions they can make for their faith in an enemy controlled land. And they have guidance on how to atone for their lax faith after they are safe in their land.

I believe this is the biggest threat the world can ever face. Why? Because it is a religion. There are no borders. There are no walls. There are no demarcation lines like there were in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam That is why Iraq is such a problem. We as a country have invaded and occupied another country and look at the occupation like it was Germany after WWII. There really is no comparison because of the nature of our enemy.

As long as we continue to be politically correct and try not to offend Muslims, we are not only hurting ourselves in the fight but we are actually doing what our enemy needs to succeed. We will make concessions for the Muslims that are over and above what we would do for anyone else because of the "radical Muslims" that give all the others a bad name. We need to protect the innocent ones from harm. If we continue in this manner, we will turn over the keys to the kingdom on a silver platter.

I realize how ludicrous this post sounds.

If I didn't know that all that I said here was true I wouldn't believe it either. I am not exaggerating or freaking out or anything. This is the situation. This is the world we live in. We need to open our eyes and see it.

If you doubt anything I said here, please do your own research. It is really frustrating to know this information and have others dismiss it because they hear "religion" and think they understand the nature of it. And the nature they understand does not match with what I am saying. Therefore, what I am saying must be an exaggeration or just flat wrong.

I'm not going to argue with you on this. I really is a question of faith and the most slippery of all Opinion issues. You offered your credo. I offered mine.

its alot of allegations being repeated over and over which have absolutely not been proven by any standard


you cant fight a RELIGION, want to know why? because RELIGION is not a tangible thing. Religion is a set of beliefs, and it often is supplemented by a book of some sort. Problem is there are hundreds of details within that book which can be interpreted a hundred different ways when there are at least a billion people trying to read and live by it.

this:The ONLY way any Muslim is guaranteed to go to Heaven is to die in a Jihad. A holy war


do you have any Quranic scripture which states this guarantee beyond something very general , like the bible quote:

Numbers:31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him


Moses is a coveted prophet amongst christians, and there is what would be considered in modern times a horrid command by him to kill women and 'take' their children, but we dont consider CHRISTIANITY the reason in most cases

why do we blame ISLAM for the abuse some take to cherry pick certain verses of their quran and use them to justify harming others?

Oh my God,

I haven't talked about this in 6 years.

Now I remember why...

No one wants to believe this.

never mind. I know what I have said is true.

I have asked you numerous times to research this yourself. Don't take my word for it.

If you want to deny this truth you are very welcome to. Just remember, the video I attached will be coming to a city near you in the not too distant future if we don't do anything different than we are now...

Fine, deny it disbelieve me whatever. I put the truth of the situation out there.

Believe it or not, I don't hate Muslims and I do believe the vast majority of them are good people that just want to live their lives as the rest of us do. But with the size of their population even if it is only 0.1% that are true believers (radicals they are called in main stream medium) we are talking about 1.6 million people that want to kill you because you are not Muslim.

This all started with me saying I was curious why the vast majority of suicide bombers were Muslim. I did research to find out why. I wasn't out to get anyone. I was really curious what would inspire someone to go kill themselves in the name of their religion.

Don't worry I won't talk about this again. Hate banging my head against a wall...

I have researched it. I do believe 'truth'. WE just have different interpretations of what the 'truth' means. Its all good.

But if you aknowledge that it might only be .1 percent of a people who are doing terrible things, why would you believe we need to fight the whole group(the religion)?

Would that be akin to someone in another country who has studied world history, deciding they need to initiate a war with Western culture because of all the wars initiated by members within those cultures?

I used 0.1% for arguments sake to show the numbers we are talking about. I believe the actual percentage is closer to 20 or 30 percent that would be willing to carry out a Jihad and another 20 or 30 that would willingly support it. That leaves 40 to 60 percent that would just watch and I believe the group that would be willing to support it are currently just living like average Joes without any thought about a Jihad. I believe they would support it if it came to essentially an open war.

If the wars the Western culture started were continuous and never ending with the stated purpose of global domination - yes.

I can respect you standing by your beliefs, as I stand behind mine. I err on the side of humans, all humans, so I just dont have enough information that would make me assume that 20 or 30 percent support the westernized version of jihad (which is merely killing for simple disbelief)

Right, killing for simple disbelief. the percentages I used are purely a shot in the dark. Just my impression from what I have read.

Considering we have attacked three Muslim countries and support Israel all the while it commits war crimes I think the muslim responce has been fairly moderate to our massive provocations.

lol, best


you are one BRAVE soul,,,,,,,

Seriously. This country has not been attacked by any government of the middle east. They have all been acts of those outside the governments, they are crimes not acts of war.

We attacked Iraq over BS found no wmds and Sadam is gone we are still there and it seems the Iraqis are far worse off under american rule than Sadams.

the madness of these times.....

dude, IM not disagreeing at all, I just tend to steer clear of publically debating the issue because I seriously think some americans are going to get to the point of the warren commission and start seeking out 'traitors' based upon viewpoints that paint america or israel as anything but the best and most righteous of cultures.

opps wrong thread

Wow Best!

You actually believe the Muslim countries have attacked us only because we support Israel???

its as reasonable as assessing the decision to go to Iraq was based ONLY on 9/11 or 'humanitarian' reasons,,,

The muslim countries didnt realy attack us. groups of terrorists did. Possibly one reasone is that we support the bloody dictators of Saudi Arabia, that would explain why most of the aleged terrorist of 911 were Saudi. I know one thing they didnt attack us because we believe in freedom and democracy.

they won't liten, i,ve tried too... there is a few people who know, but the muslims don't have enough here numbers yet, so there is a little time...

how do you know that? there was a reason why they killed themselves and all the other people...

man, about time...

Big lies,, I thought was the topic of this thread,,lol

my favorite three,,,,,government takeover of healthcare, death panels, and that infamous 200 million a day price tag on the presidents trip to India