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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions. 
All but one sin is equal. The only sin that isn't equal is denying the Lord thy God. Jesus' words "Deny me before man and I will deny you before our father". Not those EXACT words, but same meaning. All other sins are forgivable. Jesus looks at our words, our actions, our thoughts, our beliefs, we are judged on EVERYTHING. Not just our actions, or thoughts. Ok I need chapter and verse fot this, can you chuck a few out there so I can read them in context as i cannot see how this can apply . Because you have just totally confused me, and dont take this in a bad way, butyou told me all sin is equal except one, but then you tell me that he judges me on my actions, thoughts and beli8efs.. I have to read it myself in his words. so please can you put the verses up that you are thinking of so I can cross reference them with my bibles.. Belief - John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Actions - James 2:17 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone Thoughts - Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. More can be shown if these are not sufficient for you. Ok Mathew is sort of what I am looking for but it doesnt say all sin is equal.. I am just looking for the ones that tell me all sin is the same, as I had believed that we would be judged on our hearts, and that that is what God was looking at.. So not the ones on faith, I have a good understanding of that, just the specific ones.. Thanks heaps 
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests I think mainly cause sins in general are natural, habit, associated with the community, ect. Lying for instance. If one is not exposed to lies of any kind, that person would not lie. For they would basically not have the knowledge of lying. Habit Sins = "White" lies. Cussing/foul language, ect Natural = Aggressiveness, mainly in the masculine/male side. This results in fighting and things of that nature, pride would be included. The list could go on. This doesn't make it right at all. But it is true. So when something such as molestation, murder, ect are exposed it sticks out. It is out of the ordinary. It's not worse it's not better then any other sin. But it's different. Sticks out like a sore thumb. I cant agree with this at all..In the old testament there where different sacrifices for different sins, so why would it be different now. The Bible tells us that he sees our heart, So if I get upset with someone for hurting me There is no way that God will look at that the same as he would if I had gone out and molested a child. Otherwise it means he doesnt look at my heart but only my actions.
All but one sin is equal. The only sin that isn't equal is denying the Lord thy God. Jesus' words "Deny me before man and I will deny you before our father". Not those EXACT words, but same meaning. All other sins are forgivable. Jesus looks at our words, our actions, our thoughts, our beliefs, we are judged on EVERYTHING. Not just our actions, or thoughts. Ok I need chapter and verse fot this, can you chuck a few out there so I can read them in context as i cannot see how this can apply . Because you have just totally confused me, and dont take this in a bad way, butyou told me all sin is equal except one, but then you tell me that he judges me on my actions, thoughts and beli8efs.. I have to read it myself in his words. so please can you put the verses up that you are thinking of so I can cross reference them with my bibles.. Belief - John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Actions - James 2:17 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone Thoughts - Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. More can be shown if these are not sufficient for you. Ok Mathew is sort of what I am looking for but it doesnt say all sin is equal.. I am just looking for the ones that tell me all sin is the same, as I had believed that we would be judged on our hearts, and that that is what God was looking at.. So not the ones on faith, I have a good understanding of that, just the specific ones.. Thanks heaps
There is no verse in particular that I'm personally aware of that states specifically all sins are equal. But that's how the teachings of Christianity works, you can not take a verse here or there. You have to take the entire teaching(s). The only sin that is ever mentioned as not being forgiven would be when Jesus said "Deny me before men and I will deny you before our father". This is the only sin that is ever explained this way. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? Funches... you're not listening again... Jesus told EVERYONE. Pilate would be included in the everyone. Again, this is the reasoning of Jesus' crucifixion. For they seen Jesus as speaking blasphemy. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is equal for one simple reason. James 2:10 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is not the same as far as I am concerned. Alright, teach me. How am I practicing my faith incorrectly? What do I need to do to have more faith in Christ as my Lord and Savior? What is Free Will? What does it mean to believe in Jesus? What is sin? What is forgiveness? What is faith? What am I supposed to believe about God? What is the Trinity? What are Jesus commandments to us? How can I get to KNOW Jesus? What are His promises to me? How do I go about getting access to those promises? What is the difference between faith and love? How do you demonstrate your faith? is it an action or a thought or belief? That is just for starters. When you explain these to me so I understand what I need to do, I will give you another set of questions I have been asking all my life. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God 
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Edited by
AdventureBegins
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As Jesus has ascended to God he is within the Glory of God.
God walks with you as he walks with me. Therefore Jesus walks also with you for he is contained within the Glory that heralds God in all things. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? Funches... you're not listening again... Jesus told EVERYONE. Pilate would be included in the everyone. Again, this is the reasoning of Jesus' crucifixion. For they seen Jesus as speaking blasphemy. Cowboy...Jesus never told pilate he was the law...remember Jesus refused to answer any pilate questions and instead asked him questions.....which means that he never told Pilate anything.....why do you always resort to lying about the bible LIES TOLD SO FAR: Satan 0 Cowboy 5 |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? Funches... you're not listening again... Jesus told EVERYONE. Pilate would be included in the everyone. Again, this is the reasoning of Jesus' crucifixion. For they seen Jesus as speaking blasphemy. Cowboy...Jesus never told pilate he was the law...remember Jesus refused to answer any pilate questions and instead asked him questions.....which means that he never told Pilate anything.....why do you always resort to lying about the bible LIES TOLD SO FAR: Satan 0 Cowboy 5 Didn't lie. Jesus did tell everyone, again that was the reason he was crucified, for spreading what they thought to be blasphemy. |
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Edited by
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? Funches... you're not listening again... Jesus told EVERYONE. Pilate would be included in the everyone. Again, this is the reasoning of Jesus' crucifixion. For they seen Jesus as speaking blasphemy. Cowboy...Jesus never told pilate he was the law...remember Jesus refused to answer any pilate questions and instead asked him questions.....which means that he never told Pilate anything.....why do you always resort to lying about the bible LIES TOLD SO FAR: Satan 0 Cowboy 5 Didn't lie. Jesus did tell everyone, again that was the reason he was crucified, for spreading what they thought to be blasphemy. Jesus never DIRECTLY told Pilate. But he indeed got this message to Pilot in one way or other, thus again the reason for his crucifixion. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is not the same as far as I am concerned. then "mylifetoday" ..your concern is wrong ....is there such thing as a good sin? ...did God say it's ok to commit some sins ...did God give you a sin scale to measure sin ...is it ok to do all the other sins as long as you are not doing the seven deadly sins or is all sin simply the same |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is not the same as far as I am concerned. then "mylifetoday" ..your concern is wrong ....is there such thing as a good sin? ...did God say it's ok to commit some sins ...did God give you a sin scale to measure sin ...is it ok to do all the other sins as long as you are not doing the seven deadly sins or is all sin simply the same All sins are the same. You break one, you break them all. James 2:10 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. |
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Incorrect my friend. To receive forgiveness one must repent from that of which they are asking forgiveness of. You can not go kill someone, then drop on your knees oh lord oh lord please forgive me. Then go right back out and kill another, then drop to your knees say oh lord oh lord please forgive me, doesn't work that way my friend. Forgiveness is earned through faith and repentance, it isn't just freely given. If it was freely given again someone would steal something, ask for forgiveness, then steal something again, ect. Cowboy...those priest didn't kill anyone , they molested children...didn't you tell me on more than one occassion how all sin is the same...and didn't you tell me that Jesus was the law...which is why the church did not have to hand those priest over to the law as long as they as you just indicated in the above post earned their forgiveness through faith and repentance Killing was purely an example on how forgiveness works. One must repent from that action first to receive forgiveness for it. If not, the asking for forgiveness would be in vein for it isn't truly sought after. The priests should have been handed over to the law though. They should have received the punishment as if anyone else would have done it. God has told us to obey man's law. Cowboy...so if God said to follow Man's law that would mean that Jesus isn't the law as you claimed .. that Man is the law on Earth...which means that when Jesus did not follow Man's law he should have been handed over to the law Jesus is law. Jesus has given us a few laws to abide by and has told us to also follow man's law. Of course God's law would be prominent in any case they may contradict one another. But nevertheless following man's law is then following God's law. And what man's law did Jesus break? Cowboy...if Jesus was the law as you keep trying to claim......then did Jesus tell this to pilate ? Jesus has told everyone. Some believe it, some don't eg., the reasoning of the crucifixion. They seen Jesus as a blasphemer. They did not believe him to be the promised messiah. Cowboy...you're trying to be deceptive again ....did Jesus tell pilate that he was the law? ....yes or no? Funches... you're not listening again... Jesus told EVERYONE. Pilate would be included in the everyone. Again, this is the reasoning of Jesus' crucifixion. For they seen Jesus as speaking blasphemy. Cowboy...Jesus never told pilate he was the law...remember Jesus refused to answer any pilate questions and instead asked him questions.....which means that he never told Pilate anything.....why do you always resort to lying about the bible LIES TOLD SO FAR: Satan 0 Cowboy 5 Didn't lie. Jesus did tell everyone, again that was the reason he was crucified, for spreading what they thought to be blasphemy. Cowboy...I asked you specifically if Jesus told "PILATE" ..if you claim that he did tell "PILATE" then provide the passage where he told "PILATE" that he is the law ...if you can not provide such a passage then you once again got caught lying ....I will show you mercy and not add another point to your lie column |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is equal for one simple reason. James 2:10 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Ok now please dont get upset with me here as I do not like to have things quoted wrong or in the wrong context so if I am unsure of something I ike to clarify it... Yes I dont like to look things up but will if I dont agree on something. So this is it for me.. I have a fair few different versions of the bible as I never trust any trnslation completely.. So James 2:10 NIV For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. Anyway the other one I have has a date of 1786 on it, and it is way old. it reads. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. But this Bible was written with points so that people who where not highly educated could look up each paragraph and see what it means.. For james 2:10 it has He is guilty of all] Not that all sins are equal, but because he that breaketh one title of the law offendeth the majesty of the lawgiver. Now in reality it is still the same now, If I am caught stealing I have broken the law, if I kill I have broken the law, however my judgement will be completely different for the different things.. So either way I have broken the laws, and either way I am a criminal, however my punishment will be very different for each.. Essentually this is what the bible is telling us. yes what he says can easily be misconstued but if you take it in the correct context it makesyour other comments make sense as then God can judge us on our hearts and , actions thoughts and so on. but by saying that all sins are equal then you create confusion in pepole who have a very simple faith like mine.. If I where to become confused and see anything that did not show Gods consistancy then I wouldnt have a faith anymore. Gods word is basically very simple if you just look at it like a child.. |
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Jesus never DIRECTLY told Pilate. But he indeed got this message to Pilot in one way or other, thus again the reason for his crucifixion. jeez Cowboy...you're harder to teach than "mylifetoday" Pilate did not go by rumors...Pilate asked Jesus directly...Jesus never answered any of pilate's questions or said anything about him being the law if Pilate was looking for a reason to cruicfy Jesus then he could not use anything that Jesus told him since all Jesus did was ask him questions .....this is why Jesus never told PILATE that he was the law ...... |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God All sin is not the same as far as I am concerned. then "mylifetoday" ..your concern is wrong ....is there such thing as a good sin? ...did God say it's ok to commit some sins ...did God give you a sin scale to measure sin ...is it ok to do all the other sins as long as you are not doing the seven deadly sins or is all sin simply the same
No he is right, cause if God looks at our hearts he will see what we are doiing.. and no no sin is ok.. But but but but but, yes there is always a but.. Well what if you are a starving child fighting to stay alive and you steal something, si that the same as Killing someone cause you want what they have... Nope definately not.. If God looks at the heart as the Bible says then he sees that childs desperations, and the mans greed. He will judge accordingly, but to the lawgiver they have both broken the law.. |
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Why is it that people that are not Christian seem to think of Christianity in Absolutes. Either it is or it is not for every thing. Thereby the misconception of hypocrisy. Forgiveness and sin are just such examples. You are implying that because Christians forgive that we do not care about the sin committed. That is just flat wrong. I am disgusted with the Catholic Church and what they did in these situations. Why they did it is beyond me... Those "Priests" should have been defrocked. "mylifetoday" ...surely you sometimes sin ....so why are you so disgusted that those priest molest those children since Christians try to bang it into your head that all sin is the same ...therefore your sin is no greater or lesser than the sins of those priests Give me a break. When did I ever say all sin was the same???? In God's Eyes they may be. I don't know. I do know that sin is breaking God's rules. Jesus did say that you cannot commit a greater sin than that of a sin against a child. Please stop telling me what I believe and ask me what I believe... Why do you insist that every single Christian is in 100% agreement on what you understand the Christian faith to mean? How can you make that claim? You love to generalize. "mylifetoday"...if you don't know if all sin is the same then you sure don't know much about your religion ....don't worry...I will help teach you ..I will help show you the way to God Nice! So first you must prove that God exists beyond a book, then maybe I'll give you another bite to eat...
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