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Congress and the Department of Justice appear to be headed for a showdown this week over documents detailing Operation Fast and Furious, the botched gunrunning sting set up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that funneled more than 1,700 smuggled weapons from Arizona to Mexico.
The Justice Department has until Wednesday to deliver to congressional investigators a stack of records and emails naming the individuals responsible for the gun trafficking operation that may have killed dozens, if not hundreds of Mexicans, and is becoming a growing embarrassment for the Obama administration. Under Project Gunrunner and the Phoenix off-shoot, dubbed Fast and Furious, the ATF encouraged gun store owners to sell to straw buyers -- consumers who they suspected of working on behalf of Mexican drug cartels. Project Gunrunner purposely allowed the straw buyers to illegally buy and export guns only to see where they surfaced in Mexico. Using this investigative technique, the ATF hoped to take down the entire gun trafficking organization. Instead, records show it allowed more than 1,700 guns, including hundreds of AK-47s and high-powered, armor-piercing .50-caliber rifles to be trafficked to Mexico Buying guns for non-personal use is illegal. Yet gun store owners were assured by ATF agents the buyers were under investigation and the guns were being intercepted before crossing into Mexico. Instead, whistleblowers say the guns were allowed "to walk." President Obama, speaking for the first time about the growing scandal, conceded last week Fast and Furious may have been "a serious mistake," but he claimed, "I did not authorize it; Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. He's been very clear that our policy is to catch gunrunners and put them into jail." But an investigation by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, could show otherwise. The ATF operates under Justice Department, and two assistant U.S. attorneys in Phoenix authorized virtually every wiretap, affidavit and investigation conducted in Operation Fast and Furious. Some, like Issa, wonder how Holder could not have known about an investigation that size. "One of the questions we always ask is who is lying," Issa told Fox News. "We lose our credibility if we don't come clean and make the changes necessary to save lives on both sides of the border." If the Justice Department and ATF refuse to deliver the records Issa requested, as it already has done with similar requests by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Issa can subpoena the records. "We will subpoena if we have to, we'll hold hearings if we have to, we'll call in officials if we have to. But at the end of the day, the two Americans likely to have died as a result of this action pale in comparison to the countless numbers of Mexicans who have been killed," said Issa. He is referring to Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jamie Zapata. The guns used to kill both men have been linked to Project Gunrunner. Humberto Trevino, a senior Mexican lawmaker, says at least 150 people have been shot with ATF-monitored guns. Two of the gun stores involved were Carter's Country in Houston and J&G Gun Sales in Prescott, Ariz. "Let me tell you something about Carter's Country. They have been co-operating with ATF from the get-go," says Carter's County attorney Dick Deguerin. "They were told to go through with what they considered to be questionable sales. They were told to go through with sales of three or more assault rifles at the same time or five or more 9-mm guns at the same time or a young Hispanic male paying in cash. It's all profiling, but they went through with it." Both gun stores felt burned by the ATF -- first by leaked records to The Washington Post that showed the two stores responsible for dozens of guns found at Mexican crime scenes, and now by Operation Fast and Furious. "You assumed they had your back," added J&G President Brad Desaye. "Absolutely, we felt like partners with ATF in a lot of ways." Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich said in a Feb. 4 letter the operation's purpose was "to dismantle the entire trafficking organization, not merely to arrest straw purchasers." "The allegation -- that ATF 'sanctioned' or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico -- is false," he wrote. Holder also says his department policy is not to "let guns walk." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/28/obama-administration-mounting-pressure-botched-gun-trafficking-investigation/#ixzz1Hv2Oei5V |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god.
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". I swear, yalls momma could fall into a coma and you would find a tie to OBAMA....lol congressional investigators? wouldnt they fall under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as well? so its the ADMINISTRATION against the ADMINISTRATION and when does a president personally oversee all the ATF operations?......lol,,too much |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". I swear, yalls momma could fall into a coma and you would find a tie to OBAMA....lol congressional investigators? wouldnt they fall under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as well? so its the ADMINISTRATION against the ADMINISTRATION and when does a president personally oversee all the ATF operations?......lol,,too much Well the DOJ works under the president and is advised about operations such as this so I'd say that at the end of the day it's on him. |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". I swear, yalls momma could fall into a coma and you would find a tie to OBAMA....lol congressional investigators? wouldnt they fall under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as well? so its the ADMINISTRATION against the ADMINISTRATION and when does a president personally oversee all the ATF operations?......lol,,too much Well the DOJ works under the president and is advised about operations such as this so I'd say that at the end of the day it's on him. at the end of the day, in these threads, EVERYTHING is on OBAMA.... |
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He is the president. This is no different then when Bush was in office. |
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He is the president. This is no different then when Bush was in office. I see it differently,, but its all perception I guess People rallied behind the drums of war when BUSH went into the 'axis of evil' where many innocent lives were lost, and at the time the people felt its what we should do to 'fight terrorism' now, ATF goes after gun smugglers, innocent lives are lost, but the story is not being spun that its what we must do to 'fight terrorism' this time,,,,, |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". I swear, yalls momma could fall into a coma and you would find a tie to OBAMA....lol congressional investigators? wouldnt they fall under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as well? so its the ADMINISTRATION against the ADMINISTRATION and when does a president personally oversee all the ATF operations?......lol,,too much i forget... who is in charge of ALL government agencies? someone named barry, aint it? |
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He is the president. This is no different then when Bush was in office. libs don't like it the shoe is on the other foot, huh... idiots |
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He is the president. This is no different then when Bush was in office. I see it differently,, but its all perception I guess People rallied behind the drums of war when BUSH went into the 'axis of evil' where many innocent lives were lost, and at the time the people felt its what we should do to 'fight terrorism' now, ATF goes after gun smugglers, innocent lives are lost, but the story is not being spun that its what we must do to 'fight terrorism' this time,,,,, There's a big difference in going after terrorists who took out over 3,000 innocent people and dimwittedly giving weapons to drug cartels. |
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Another perfect example of lack of experience and crookedness, which we wont have to deal with after 2012, thank god. Now now, remember that he was a community adviser or some crap like that before illegally becoming "president". I swear, yalls momma could fall into a coma and you would find a tie to OBAMA....lol congressional investigators? wouldnt they fall under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION as well? so its the ADMINISTRATION against the ADMINISTRATION and when does a president personally oversee all the ATF operations?......lol,,too much i forget... who is in charge of ALL government agencies? someone named barry, aint it? [/quote not quite,, I hated government class too,,,but the Presidents job isnt REALLy overseeing ALL government agencies(do you really think ONE person would have the time and knowledge to do that?) from http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4684 The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons enforcing laws treaties court rulings, developing POLICY, preparing the budget , appointing officials nothing about overseeing the daily operations of the DEA, or ATF,,,, |
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He is the president. This is no different then when Bush was in office. I see it differently,, but its all perception I guess People rallied behind the drums of war when BUSH went into the 'axis of evil' where many innocent lives were lost, and at the time the people felt its what we should do to 'fight terrorism' now, ATF goes after gun smugglers, innocent lives are lost, but the story is not being spun that its what we must do to 'fight terrorism' this time,,,,, There's a big difference in going after terrorists who took out over 3,000 innocent people and dimwittedly giving weapons to drug cartels. is there a difference between 'giving' (allowing to be obtained) weapons to drug cartels, and ALLOWING criminals to walk DAILY for helping officials catch BIGGER criminals (snitching, criminal immunity,,etc,,) is this type of policy really the BRAINCHILD of OBama, it hasnt been how legal process has worked LONG before him? |
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yeah.. what the hell is wrong with you all expecting the president to have any responsibilities..
he is the spokesman for the country.. nothing more than a suit reading someone elses speeches off a teleprompter.. come on guys... you all expect too much out of this guy.. give him a break.. |
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yeah.. what the hell is wrong with you all expecting the president to have any responsibilities.. he is the spokesman for the country.. nothing more than a suit reading someone elses speeches off a teleprompter.. come on guys... you all expect too much out of this guy.. give him a break.. you misread I consider him MOSTLy a spokesman, yes, thats his primary INDIVIDUAL and EXCLUSIVE responsibility (the one thing HE and only HE is charged with) I also posted what responsibility the CONSTITUTION grants him, which is much LESS than people in these threads seem to believe he should be singlehandedly responsible for,,, |
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for review
The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons |
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boredinaz06
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Mon 03/28/11 04:07 PM
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for review The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons So since he enforces law as chief executive then why is it so hard to believe he knew about the gun smuggling? |
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for review The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons So since he enforces law as chief executive then why is it so hard to believe he knew about the gun smuggling? for the same reason that all crooks arent in jail, the same reason that police havent ARRESTED (or even know) about all crimes that are happening because he is human enough not to know EVERYTHING happening everywhere and he may have other PRIORITIES keeping him occupied as president, being that there are people PAID SALARIES to do NOTHING BUT keep on top of those thing in their departments |
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for review The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons So since he enforces law as chief executive then why is it so hard to believe he knew about the gun smuggling? for the same reason that all crooks arent in jail, the same reason that police havent ARRESTED (or even know) about all crimes that are happening because he is human enough not to know EVERYTHING happening everywhere and he may have other PRIORITIES keeping him occupied as president, being that there are people PAID SALARIES to do NOTHING BUT keep on top of those thing in their departments sounds pretty ineffective as a leader then... doesn't even know whats going on around him... |
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for review The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons So since he enforces law as chief executive then why is it so hard to believe he knew about the gun smuggling? for the same reason that all crooks arent in jail, the same reason that police havent ARRESTED (or even know) about all crimes that are happening because he is human enough not to know EVERYTHING happening everywhere and he may have other PRIORITIES keeping him occupied as president, being that there are people PAID SALARIES to do NOTHING BUT keep on top of those thing in their departments sounds pretty ineffective as a leader then... doesn't even know whats going on around him... yep, ineffective as a MESSIAH(all knowing), not as a predident(commander in chief and chief EXECUTIVE) |
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