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Topic: Prank” No Laughing Matter
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Thu 02/24/11 05:15 PM
Embattled Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker came under fire today after news broke about statements he made in a 20-minute phone call from a Boston-area alternative news reporter posing as David Koch, a billionaire whose PAC directly supported Walker and who has given millions to groups that have run ads to aid Walker's rise to the state's highest office. (Listen to the call here.)

As the Center for Media and Democracy has reported, the Koch PAC not only spent $43,000 directly on Walkers race, but Koch personally donated $1 million to the Republican Governor’s Association which spent $5 million in the state. Besides the Governor, Koch Brother’s has other “vested interests" in the state.

They include Koch Pipeline Company, which operates a pipeline system that crosses Wisconsin. It also owns Flint Hill Resources, which distributes refined fuel through pipelines and terminals in Junction City, Waupun, Madison and Milwaukee. Koch Industries also owns the C. Reiss Coal Company, a power plant company located in Green Bay, Manitowoc, Ashland and Sheboygan.

The Koch brothers opened a lobby shop in Wisconsin two days after Walker was elected, and many protesters have suspected that the “budget repair bill” provisions allowing the no-bid sell-off of any state-owned heating, cooling, or power plant, plus new rules on pipeline transport may be of interest to Koch. The company has denied any interest in these assets. Transcript Raises Legal and Ethical Concerns.

Pink Slips as Poker Chips Raises Legal Concerns

At the start of the conversation Walker eagerly reports on all he is doing: 

 First, he tells the fake Koch brother about a plan to change Senate rules on pay to reel-in the out-of state Democratic senators who are holding out to protect collective bargaining. The new rule would force the Senators to pick up their paychecks in-person. This rule was passed in a partisan vote in the Senate yesterday--a move that went unnoticed by the mainstream press. 

The fake Koch asks Walker how they might get others in Senate to vote to stop collective bargaining. Walker responds that he's involved the Justice Department in investigating whether the union is paying the absent Democratic senators to remain out of state, or providing them with food, shelter, etc., saying it would be an ethics violation or potentially a felony. Wisconsin legislators are well aware of these rules and have already stated they are using their own money while they are out of state.


But the Governor also explains how he is going to layoff thousands of Wisconsin workers as a tactic to get the Democrats to cooperate: “So, we’re trying about four or five different angles. Each day we crank up a little bit more pressure. The other thing is I’ve got layoff notices ready, we put out the at-risk notices, we’ll announce Thursday, they’ll go out early next week and we’ll probably get five to six thousand state workers will get at-risk notices for layoffs. We might
ratchet that up a little bit too.”

The move has been called “despicable” and “ruthless “ and “sickening.” But most importantly, if he is choosing to lay off workers as a political tactic when he wasn’t otherwise planning to do so then it is not just morally repugnant but legally questionable. State and federal contract and labor law has protections against this type of abusive behavior and inappropriate quid pro quo.

This morning the Capital Times quotes the state’s former Attorney General: “There clearly are potential ethics violations, and there are potential election-law violations and there are a lot of what look to me like labor-law violations,” said Peg Lautenschlager, a Democrat who served as Wisconsin’s Attorney General after serving for many years as a U.S. Attorney. The head of the state teacher's association, Mary Bell, reminds us: “he literally planned to use five to six thousand hardworking Wisconsin taxpayers as political pawns in his political game. He actually thought through a strategy to lay people off – deny them the ability to feed their families – and use it as leverage for his political goals."

Kids and Hired Thugs


Walker also says he considers then rejected the idea of hiring trouble makers to disrupt the rallies which have been packed with elementary school children and highs schoolers. When fake Koch says “We’ll back you any way we can. But what we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.” Walker says: “we thought about that," but he rejected the idea in case it back-fired. He didn’t want to “scare the public into thinking maybe the governor as to settle to avoid all these problems.”

Wisconsin Ethics Rules



Wisconsin has the toughest ethics law in the nation. Public officials are prohibited from soliciting or receiving anything of value if it could reasonably be expected to influence or reward official actions. The rules against “pay to play politics” say a public official is prohibited from taking official action in exchange for political contributions or anything else of value for the benefit of a candidate, political party, or any person making certain candidate-related communications. You can’t even take a cup of coffee from a lobbyist.

Earlier in the call, Walker had asked the fake Koch for help “spreading the word,” especially in the "swing districts," in defense of his determination to break the unions and help get calls in to shore up his Republican allies in the legislature. Walker benefited from a high-dollar "issue ad" campaigns by groups funded by Koch group before the election. Americans for Prosperity, which Koch chairs, promoted and funded a couple thousand counter-protestors last Saturday.

On the same day that the scandal broke here in Wisconsin, Americans for Prosperity went up with a $342,000 TV ad campaign in support of Walker – an enormous sum in a state like Wisconsin. If such ads are effectively coordinated with the Governor's office they may be subject to rules requiring greater disclosure of expenditures and contributors.

Toward the end of the call, the fake Koch offers to fly Walker out to California, after they "crush the bastards," and show him "a good time," to which Walker responds with enthusiasm in his voice "All right, that would be outstanding." But, Wisconsin rules bar state officials from taking action for something of value. After Walker agrees to the junket, the fake Koch adds, "And, you know, we have a little bit of a vested interest as well" to which Walker responds, "Well that's just it."



Conclusion

So, while Walker did not apparently not recognize Koch's voice, he certainly recognized his name, eagerly recounting his efforts to crush collective bargaining in Wisconsin to an out-of-state billioniare backer and thanking him for all Koch had done for him. The entire conversation raises ethical concerns that warrant much closer examination, especially with Wisconsin's tough pay to play rules. A week ago the Center for Media and Democracy filed an open records request for the Governor's phone records, email records, and other communications. Perhaps these records will help us understand all the influences behind the Governor's recent radical actions.

Wisconsin is not Illinois, it has a reputation for being a squeaky clean state and lesser scandals have brought down political officials. Governor Walker likes to complain of “outside agitators.” Hard to imagine an agitator with more influence and money than the Koch-family.

© 2011 Center for Media & Democracy
Mary Bottari is the Director of the Center for Media and Democracy's Real Economy Project and editor of their www.BanksterUSA.org site.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/02/24-6

InvictusV's photo
Thu 02/24/11 05:55 PM
I actually thought it was pretty funny..

He was a dumbass for falling for it, but he certainly sounded like he was going to do whatever it took.. Even if it meant calling in a goon squad to level the playing field with the union "mobs"..

I personally think its time to take off the gloves and get back to the ways things used to get settled before this country became pussified.

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 02/25/11 05:41 AM

I actually thought it was pretty funny..

He was a dumbass for falling for it, but he certainly sounded like he was going to do whatever it took.. Even if it meant calling in a goon squad to level the playing field with the union "mobs"..

I personally think its time to take off the gloves and get back to the ways things used to get settled before this country became pussified.
I am glad most people are more sophisticated. I am not sure what country you come from or what your education level is but here in america we try to obey the laws, Its realy the base of our society. the same laws for all people regardless of social standing. I would say its one of americas few redeeming qualities.

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Fri 02/25/11 05:51 AM
Hey, I'm glad he showed how sleazy he was.

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 02/25/11 06:07 AM

Hey, I'm glad he showed how sleazy he was.
I am not sure if sleezy is politicaly correct. I am sure there is a better word but it escapes me at the moment.:wink:

InvictusV's photo
Fri 02/25/11 08:03 AM


I actually thought it was pretty funny..

He was a dumbass for falling for it, but he certainly sounded like he was going to do whatever it took.. Even if it meant calling in a goon squad to level the playing field with the union "mobs"..

I personally think its time to take off the gloves and get back to the ways things used to get settled before this country became pussified.
I am glad most people are more sophisticated. I am not sure what country you come from or what your education level is but here in america we try to obey the laws, Its realy the base of our society. the same laws for all people regardless of social standing. I would say its one of americas few redeeming qualities.


By sophisticated you mean pussified..

Yeah.. I agree..





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Fri 02/25/11 02:31 PM
I listened to both parts of the recording on the Beast site. If I lived in Wisconsin, I would be damned ashamed and angry that the Governor has clearly sold out to the rich, corporate elite.

I also think he should be investigated for his statements about "we thought about doing that", referring to planting people to cause disruption in the protests. That shows his true character and dark side. That it's not really about saving the budget in Wisconsin, it's about busting the unions and making a name for himself.

Power corrupts.

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Fri 02/25/11 02:34 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 02/25/11 02:35 PM

I listened to both parts of the recording on the Beast site. If I lived in Wisconsin, I would be damned ashamed and angry that the Governor has clearly sold out to the rich, corporate elite.

I also think he should be investigated for his statements about "we thought about doing that", referring to planting people to cause disruption in the protests. That shows his true character and dark side. That it's not really about saving the budget in Wisconsin, it's about busting the unions and making a name for himself.

Power corrupts.



playing devils advocate, as usual, it really doesnt shed any new light on anything


I am a strong supporter at looking at PERSONAL positions and not who one is associated with or what their positions are

we know his position, does it matter WHY its his position?, use the vote, use the ballot,,,,thats how its done


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Fri 02/25/11 02:35 PM
I also think he should be investigated for his statements
There's quite a bit of talk about what he should be investigated for. Including stuff that's out-and -out criminal.

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/25/11 02:37 PM
yeah, not a big proponent of prosecuting peoples 'thoughts'

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Fri 02/25/11 02:45 PM
yeah, not a big proponent of prosecuting peoples 'thoughts'
No, There's actually some concrete stuff there. If he fielded that call on the phone in the capital building, that's a crime. If he use d the State troopers to go after the Democratic Senators who fled, that is probably a felony. If he conspired to use the threat of lay-offs in order to intimidate union employers, some say that that is a felony. I don't know the law, so I don't know if this is true, but I do think it is more than "prosecution for thoughts". Especially with conspiracy laws.

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Fri 02/25/11 03:09 PM
He broke no laws. If he had the lunatics here would Have already brought up charges. And as for all the issues discussed in the phone call it's basically everything he's been saying in public.

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Fri 02/25/11 03:23 PM
Here's where the matter stands at this time.
Watchdog calls for criminal probe of Governor Walker over prank Koch call
By Greg Sargent
A Washington-based campaign finance watchdog group is calling on Wisconsin prosecutors to launch an investigation of Governor Scott Walker, alleging potentially illegal fundraising activity in an exchange with the prankster who posed as billionaire David Koch, the group says.

The Public Campaign Action Fund provided me with a letter it has sent to the Dane County District Attorney, who has jurisdiction over state government matters, asking him to probe whether Walker engaged in an effort to solicit "illegal coordinated political spending," as well as whether he illegally did so from state property, i.e., his office.

In the letter, the Public Campaign Action fund, which leans liberal but also criticizes Dems, cites an exchange in which the Koch imposter asked: "Now what else could we do for you down there?" Walker gave a convoluted answer which, the group alleges, hinted at a request for Koch to bankroll paid media to back up Republican legislators who are under fire from labor:

The coming days and weeks and months ahead, particularly in some of these more swing areas, a lot of these guys are gonna need, they don't necessarily need ads for them, but they're gonna need a message out reinforcing why this was a good thing to do for the economy and a good thing to do for the state. So to the extent that that message is out over and over again, that's obviously a good thing.

The Public Campaign Action fund alleges that this represents an effort to coordinate spending with an independent entity, which may be illegal under Wisconsin law. The group also alleges that such a call may not be received on or made from state property.

Separately, a former Democratic attorney general has also suggested potential ethics violations in this exchange.

In fairness to Walker, the exchange is quite convoluted. It's not clear what precisely he was asking for when he suggested support to shore up embattled legislators. It's also unclear how the fact that the caller turned out to be a fake would impact the legal issues involved. But the drip-drip-drip of such stories will continue to feed impressions that Walker's call -- even though it was with an impostor -- pushed ethical and perhaps legal boundaries.

Walker's spokesman didn't immediately return an email for comment.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/watchdog_calls_for_probe_of_go.htmlFortunately, we have a legal expert on this board to help us keep clear on this.

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Fri 02/25/11 06:09 PM

He broke no laws. If he had the lunatics here would Have already brought up charges. And as for all the issues discussed in the phone call it's basically everything he's been saying in public.


I don't know if you've actually listened to the entire recording. I think there needs to be an investigation as wether or not he discussed with staff or others, the option of planting people to cause disruption.

I believe that is a very dangerous and inappropiate position for a Governor to even consider.

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Fri 02/25/11 06:39 PM


He broke no laws. If he had the lunatics here would Have already brought up charges. And as for all the issues discussed in the phone call it's basically everything he's been saying in public.


I don't know if you've actually listened to the entire recording. I think there needs to be an investigation as wether or not he discussed with staff or others, the option of planting people to cause disruption.

I believe that is a very dangerous and inappropiate position for a Governor to even consider.

Yes I have listened to it. And to say
"I think there needs to be an investigation as wether or not he discussed with staff or others, the option of planting people to cause disruption."
Is assuming that he did.

Kinda like assuming whats in the budget repair bill by what you've heard on tv insyead of reading the bill itself and knowing whats in it.


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Fri 02/25/11 07:41 PM

He broke no laws. If he had the lunatics here would Have already brought up charges. And as for all the issues discussed in the phone call it's basically everything he's been saying in public.


You're right. It's not against the law for a politician to demonstrate he's so far into the pocket of vested interests that he comes equipped with lint and a keychain.


-Kerry O.

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Fri 02/25/11 08:22 PM
Nor, is it.

by example.

Against the law for politicians to wear the uniform of the masters they serve...

Such as Union T Shirts.

Instead of representing all the people they chose to represent a small fraction...

Cause that's were the money is for them.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 02/25/11 10:21 PM
Tea Republicans are ridiculously blind.
Their hatred for a Black President blinds them into ridiculousness.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 02/26/11 07:25 PM
Huh?

What the heck does the president have to do with the situation in Wisconsin...

Kinda grasping at straws arn't you?

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Sat 02/26/11 07:30 PM
What the heck does the president have to do with the situation in Wisconsin...


Probably, at least as much as he has to do with the situation in the middle east.

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