Topic: 2010 Tied For Hottest Year Ever
Bestinshow's photo
Wed 01/12/11 12:35 PM
WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html

lilott's photo
Wed 01/12/11 12:46 PM
Of course there's global warming, that's how nature works.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 01/12/11 12:53 PM

WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html



it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...

metalwing's photo
Wed 01/12/11 01:01 PM


WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html



it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 01/12/11 01:15 PM



WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html



it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?
CLUE .....Its not Fox news

mightymoe's photo
Wed 01/12/11 01:25 PM



WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html



it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/

metalwing's photo
Wed 01/12/11 02:16 PM






it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "

Thomas3474's photo
Wed 01/12/11 02:23 PM

WASHINGTON — It's a tie: Last year equaled 2005 as the warmest year on record, government climate experts reported Wednesday.

The average worldwide temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit (0.62 degree Celsius) above normal last year. That's the same as six years ago, the National Climatic Data Center announced.

Climate experts have become increasingly concerned about rising global temperatures over the last century. Most atmospheric scientists attribute the change to gases released into the air by industrial processes and gasoline-burning engines.

In addition, the Global Historical Climatology Network said Wednesday that last year was the wettest on record. Rain and snowfall patterns varied greatly around the world.

"The warmth this year reinforces the notion that we are seeing climate change," said David Easterling, chief of scientific services at the climatic data center. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2000, he noted. The exception was 1998, which is the third warmest year on record going back to 1880.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/hottest-year-on-record-20_n_808109.html





Nobody cares about this global warming crap anyone.Even Al gore could care less since his cash cow dried up.Give it a rest.


As usual you don't need to do anymore than a minute of research to question your statistics.


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2008/ann

State of the Climate
National Overview
Annual 2008
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Climatic Data Center



National Temperatures
Based on data through the end of 2008, the contiguous U.S. experienced a nationally averaged temperature that was the coolest in more than ten years. The average temperature of 53.0°F (11.7°C) was 0.2°F (0.1°C) above the 20th century (1901-2000) mean.




mightymoe's photo
Wed 01/12/11 02:40 PM







it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.

metalwing's photo
Wed 01/12/11 04:07 PM








it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.


As I have posted on other threads on mingle, money isn't the answer. France built a slew of nuclear power plants after the 70's gas crunch and are sitting pretty right now. Germany started a "home grown" solar/wind program that is the envy of the world. Carbon credits are stupid and meant as a way for some to make a lot of money, not make great changes in the problem.

The difference between our congress and the governments of other western nations is the effect of lobbyists. Money can buy votes in congress. I have written and voiced my opinion and have encouraged others to do the same.

The politicians are not the ones bringing it up. Al Gore did so as an "Elect me" gimmick and wasn't even correct with some of his data. NASA, NOAA, Woods Hole, and various others are the ones giving updates to the media. Congress just wants it to go away.

Go look at Bushidobillyclub's thread if you are really interested.

There are a number of things we could do which would make money, not cost money, to cure our part of the problem.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 01/12/11 09:01 PM









it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.


As I have posted on other threads on mingle, money isn't the answer. France built a slew of nuclear power plants after the 70's gas crunch and are sitting pretty right now. Germany started a "home grown" solar/wind program that is the envy of the world. Carbon credits are stupid and meant as a way for some to make a lot of money, not make great changes in the problem.

The difference between our congress and the governments of other western nations is the effect of lobbyists. Money can buy votes in congress. I have written and voiced my opinion and have encouraged others to do the same.

The politicians are not the ones bringing it up. Al Gore did so as an "Elect me" gimmick and wasn't even correct with some of his data. NASA, NOAA, Woods Hole, and various others are the ones giving updates to the media. Congress just wants it to go away.

Go look at Bushidobillyclub's thread if you are really interested.

There are a number of things we could do which would make money, not cost money, to cure our part of the problem.


i agree, we should stop pumping all that crap in the air, but that is only half the problem... deforestation, all the concrete around,
more carbon dioxide in the air... but i think we should do a natural fix, like making sure trees and plants, plankton, algae and anything else that breathes CO2 are being taken care of...

Chazster's photo
Wed 01/12/11 09:53 PM
When did they actually tart measuring the worlds temperature? Isn't that an imporatant question?

Chazster's photo
Wed 01/12/11 10:22 PM
I will answer my own question. It has been measured since 1850. That is about 160 years and the planet is about 4.5 billion years old so saying it is the hottest year ever is kind of a lie now isn't it? You can say it is the hottest year on record though. FYI from the coldest year on record to the warmest the difference is 1 degree C.

Wow such a huge difference right? What's that? Like 2-3 F?

metalwing's photo
Thu 01/13/11 08:48 AM










it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.


As I have posted on other threads on mingle, money isn't the answer. France built a slew of nuclear power plants after the 70's gas crunch and are sitting pretty right now. Germany started a "home grown" solar/wind program that is the envy of the world. Carbon credits are stupid and meant as a way for some to make a lot of money, not make great changes in the problem.

The difference between our congress and the governments of other western nations is the effect of lobbyists. Money can buy votes in congress. I have written and voiced my opinion and have encouraged others to do the same.

The politicians are not the ones bringing it up. Al Gore did so as an "Elect me" gimmick and wasn't even correct with some of his data. NASA, NOAA, Woods Hole, and various others are the ones giving updates to the media. Congress just wants it to go away.

Go look at Bushidobillyclub's thread if you are really interested.

There are a number of things we could do which would make money, not cost money, to cure our part of the problem.


i agree, we should stop pumping all that crap in the air, but that is only half the problem... deforestation, all the concrete around,
more carbon dioxide in the air... but i think we should do a natural fix, like making sure trees and plants, plankton, algae and anything else that breathes CO2 are being taken care of...


That's correct. The amount of natural gas being burned to make cement is MASSIVE. The amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere is MASSIVE. However, if you bubble coal plant exhaust through seawater, the CO2 reacts with the calcium in the seawater to make cement just like the little sea critters use it to make seashells. A big win-win!

Our country won't do well at anything if it goes bankrupt and sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas to buy oil is sending us down that road. Most everyone was scared of nuclear power in the sixties which ended up with too much regulation to make them profitable. In the meantime, the US navy has built hundreds of nuke powered ships and has the building techniques and safety protacals down pat. Using electricity to replace foreign oil is going to happen because electricity powers today's cars at the equivalent of sixty cents a gallon. The oil companies have delayed the change but can't stop it.

Deforestation is occurring all over the world, not just the rain-forest. Much of the "carbon credit" nonsense was bribery to get big bucks from rich nations (like us) to give to poor countries (like those in Africa) to keep them from burning down their own forests.

I could go on for hours.

The misinformation campaign about global warming is working hard to keep the status quo so those making money off the problem keep making money off the problem.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 01/13/11 09:28 AM
Edited by InvictusV on Thu 01/13/11 09:31 AM











it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.


As I have posted on other threads on mingle, money isn't the answer. France built a slew of nuclear power plants after the 70's gas crunch and are sitting pretty right now. Germany started a "home grown" solar/wind program that is the envy of the world. Carbon credits are stupid and meant as a way for some to make a lot of money, not make great changes in the problem.

The difference between our congress and the governments of other western nations is the effect of lobbyists. Money can buy votes in congress. I have written and voiced my opinion and have encouraged others to do the same.

The politicians are not the ones bringing it up. Al Gore did so as an "Elect me" gimmick and wasn't even correct with some of his data. NASA, NOAA, Woods Hole, and various others are the ones giving updates to the media. Congress just wants it to go away.

Go look at Bushidobillyclub's thread if you are really interested.

There are a number of things we could do which would make money, not cost money, to cure our part of the problem.


i agree, we should stop pumping all that crap in the air, but that is only half the problem... deforestation, all the concrete around,
more carbon dioxide in the air... but i think we should do a natural fix, like making sure trees and plants, plankton, algae and anything else that breathes CO2 are being taken care of...


That's correct. The amount of natural gas being burned to make cement is MASSIVE. The amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere is MASSIVE. However, if you bubble coal plant exhaust through seawater, the CO2 reacts with the calcium in the seawater to make cement just like the little sea critters use it to make seashells. A big win-win!

Our country won't do well at anything if it goes bankrupt and sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas to buy oil is sending us down that road. Most everyone was scared of nuclear power in the sixties which ended up with too much regulation to make them profitable. In the meantime, the US navy has built hundreds of nuke powered ships and has the building techniques and safety protacals down pat. Using electricity to replace foreign oil is going to happen because electricity powers today's cars at the equivalent of sixty cents a gallon. The oil companies have delayed the change but can't stop it.

Deforestation is occurring all over the world, not just the rain-forest. Much of the "carbon credit" nonsense was bribery to get big bucks from rich nations (like us) to give to poor countries (like those in Africa) to keep them from burning down their own forests.

I could go on for hours.

The misinformation campaign about global warming is working hard to keep the status quo so those making money off the problem keep making money off the problem.


Cost is always going to be the overriding factor when it comes to making these kinds of changes.

Our power transmission company services the Delmarva peninsula, the western shore of Maryland and Washington DC. They asked the federal government to cover $10 million of a $100 million upgrade to start fazing in their smart meters. The feds told them sorry, but we don't have the money.

When you see those types of things going on you have to ask yourself are they really serious about this or are they playing games.

metalwing's photo
Thu 01/13/11 01:10 PM












it's all BS... the earth has not climbed or declined in temp since 1986...


Where are you getting your information?


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/


It is obvious that you did not read your own reference, which states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

"Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes. "
, ok, if you really believe that, what are you going to do about it? send your politicians some money to fix it? thats what they want you to do by bringing all this up.


As I have posted on other threads on mingle, money isn't the answer. France built a slew of nuclear power plants after the 70's gas crunch and are sitting pretty right now. Germany started a "home grown" solar/wind program that is the envy of the world. Carbon credits are stupid and meant as a way for some to make a lot of money, not make great changes in the problem.

The difference between our congress and the governments of other western nations is the effect of lobbyists. Money can buy votes in congress. I have written and voiced my opinion and have encouraged others to do the same.

The politicians are not the ones bringing it up. Al Gore did so as an "Elect me" gimmick and wasn't even correct with some of his data. NASA, NOAA, Woods Hole, and various others are the ones giving updates to the media. Congress just wants it to go away.

Go look at Bushidobillyclub's thread if you are really interested.

There are a number of things we could do which would make money, not cost money, to cure our part of the problem.


i agree, we should stop pumping all that crap in the air, but that is only half the problem... deforestation, all the concrete around,
more carbon dioxide in the air... but i think we should do a natural fix, like making sure trees and plants, plankton, algae and anything else that breathes CO2 are being taken care of...


That's correct. The amount of natural gas being burned to make cement is MASSIVE. The amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere is MASSIVE. However, if you bubble coal plant exhaust through seawater, the CO2 reacts with the calcium in the seawater to make cement just like the little sea critters use it to make seashells. A big win-win!

Our country won't do well at anything if it goes bankrupt and sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas to buy oil is sending us down that road. Most everyone was scared of nuclear power in the sixties which ended up with too much regulation to make them profitable. In the meantime, the US navy has built hundreds of nuke powered ships and has the building techniques and safety protacals down pat. Using electricity to replace foreign oil is going to happen because electricity powers today's cars at the equivalent of sixty cents a gallon. The oil companies have delayed the change but can't stop it.

Deforestation is occurring all over the world, not just the rain-forest. Much of the "carbon credit" nonsense was bribery to get big bucks from rich nations (like us) to give to poor countries (like those in Africa) to keep them from burning down their own forests.

I could go on for hours.

The misinformation campaign about global warming is working hard to keep the status quo so those making money off the problem keep making money off the problem.


Cost is always going to be the overriding factor when it comes to making these kinds of changes.

Our power transmission company services the Delmarva peninsula, the western shore of Maryland and Washington DC. They asked the federal government to cover $10 million of a $100 million upgrade to start fazing in their smart meters. The feds told them sorry, but we don't have the money.

When you see those types of things going on you have to ask yourself are they really serious about this or are they playing games.


The money you are referring to was an Obama campaign promise. It actually went to other places such as inner city day care in Chicago.
His promises on the nuclear plants start ups didn't happen either. Much of the "energy" money, like the battery plants in Detroit, went to foreign countries (LG Industries of South Korea). The big solar plant in Arizona went to a Spanish company. etc, etc, etc.

If you consider the fact that money, bribery, and lobbyists control where and how the money is spent, it is a game.

If you consider how the truth gets mangled, the damage to our economy, and the consequences of doing nothing or the wrong thing, it is quite serious.