Topic: I’m With My Conservative Friends, Bring Back The 1950’s
Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/09/11 12:59 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 01/09/11 01:05 AM
(as seen on TV)
A nation of 2 parent homes, white picket fences on every street, the local cop on foot-patrol who stops at your door from time to time just to say, “Hi”…I can get on-board with all of it.

Now, if my conservative friends will just meet me half way and agree to accept the 90% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans that was also in place in the 1950’s, and join me in praising the labor unions which were strong enough back then to grow our middle class to it’s strongest position ever (which kept consumer spending and our economy strong by the way), we’ll have peace and harmony once again.

Sure, there will be some pesky issues to handle that weren’t being addressed properly back then, but I’m confident that the women and minority groups can get their voices heard in a peaceful manner on those.

And speaking of women, hey gals, I’m gonna ask you to take one for the team here and let the state own your body. If we’re serious about making this fantasy-America return to the 1950’s, we’ll need to give conservatives their way on the abortion issue.

I know that’s a biggie for you, but just think of what we’ll get in exchange for your sacrifice: Universal Health care, Better Educations (perhaps even including free Universities nationwide) and Schools, Expansive and freshly paved highways from coast to coast (how pretty will we be then?), A fresh coat of paint for every bridge in the country, An end to borrowing money from China in order to fund our misadventures…the list goes on and on.

Yes, by once again taxing the wealthiest Americans at 90% we could pay for all of that stuff, and a whole lot more.

Sure, some of you girls may get stuck in loveless marriages and living lives that you never wanted, being forced to care for snot-nosed brats you don’t like, but the Valium you’ll need to get through the day (just like Grandma used to use) will be free! Come on, that’s a good deal.

Oh, I know there will be some nay-sayers, probably among wealthy conservatives who won’t like the idea of paying all those taxes again, but the proof is in the pudding (as people used to say in the 1950’s television-land) that it’s the best thing for our country, and at the end of the day aren’t we all good American patriots? So, I’m sure the nay-sayers will ultimately join in and buck up to do their part.

Besides, all of those twisted arguments against high taxes on the rich, that have been propagated for years to reduce taxes for the rich, have no true foundations in reality. For example, they often argue that the high taxes:

- deter people from wanting to earn more
- strangle small businesses
- cost jobs (related to the strangling of small businesses above)
- reduce consumer spending and retard the economy

However, in 1950’s America nobody stopped chasing wealth. The Kennedy’s, Rockefellers, Mellons and so-on continued to grow their family fortunes despite the tax rates. And heck, more middle class working Americans believed that they too could become wealthy one day and as a result were inspired to work harder to obtain wealth. That was good for business.

Every small town and metropolitan neighborhood in the country had Mom-n-Pop stores in it back then. Small businesses were thriving, despite the higher taxes on the uber-rich. And there were jobs-o-plenty, which paid decent wages that allowed families to get by on a single income, leaving one parent free to stay home and raise the children. Mostly because with stronger unions it wasn’t so easy for profitable companies to hide their money or move jobs overseas or reduce labor forces and demand higher productivity out of the workers left.


And the economy thrived from all of those small businesses selling the latest Vitameatavegimins and Rocket-like Aluminum-laminated appliances made by Americans to the same working Americans who wanted the shiny new things for their homes and yards. Money was moving everywhere back then.

Then, in the mid-1960’s the tax rate was lowered to 70% and guess what? That’s right, we began going through some tumultuous times here in America, but the bottom didn’t really drop out on us until the 1980’s when one party (and I’m not going to name names here) decided that drastically reducing taxes on the wealthiest Americans all the way down to 28%, curtailing regulations on industry, and busting the labor unions were the vogue things to do.

That’s when we finally lost all of those small Mom-n-Pop businesses and decent jobs to large retail corporations who shipped their products in from places like Taiwan and China, killing both the small business retailer and American manufacturing in a single blow. They actually broke the system that sustained their own fantasy-America.

But this isn’t about pointing fingers. This is about Americans uniting once again and making things better for all of us. So I offer my hand to my conservative friends, and hope my liberal friends will join me in saying let’s bring back the 1950’s America (as seen on TV) together.

Let’s have all of the goodies that the fantasy can offer, paid for by the return of 90% tax rates on the rich and the sweat of unionized working Americans. We’ll penalize those (including corporations) non-patriots who try to undermine our America by hiding money or jobs offshore, and with a little bit of work (and a lot of free narcotics) I think we might be able to get the majority of gals to come along on the abortion thing too.

What do you say?

http://www.pbnv.com/a/im-with-my-conservative-friends-bring-back-the-1950s-as-seen-on-tv/

msharmony's photo
Sun 01/09/11 01:18 AM

(as seen on TV)
A nation of 2 parent homes, white picket fences on every street, the local cop on foot-patrol who stops at your door from time to time just to say, “Hi”…I can get on-board with all of it.

Now, if my conservative friends will just meet me half way and agree to accept the 90% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans that was also in place in the 1950’s, and join me in praising the labor unions which were strong enough back then to grow our middle class to it’s strongest position ever (which kept consumer spending and our economy strong by the way), we’ll have peace and harmony once again.

Sure, there will be some pesky issues to handle that weren’t being addressed properly back then, but I’m confident that the women and minority groups can get their voices heard in a peaceful manner on those.

And speaking of women, hey gals, I’m gonna ask you to take one for the team here and let the state own your body. If we’re serious about making this fantasy-America return to the 1950’s, we’ll need to give conservatives their way on the abortion issue.

I know that’s a biggie for you, but just think of what we’ll get in exchange for your sacrifice: Universal Health care, Better Educations (perhaps even including free Universities nationwide) and Schools, Expansive and freshly paved highways from coast to coast (how pretty will we be then?), A fresh coat of paint for every bridge in the country, An end to borrowing money from China in order to fund our misadventures…the list goes on and on.

Yes, by once again taxing the wealthiest Americans at 90% we could pay for all of that stuff, and a whole lot more.

Sure, some of you girls may get stuck in loveless marriages and living lives that you never wanted, being forced to care for snot-nosed brats you don’t like, but the Valium you’ll need to get through the day (just like Grandma used to use) will be free! Come on, that’s a good deal.

Oh, I know there will be some nay-sayers, probably among wealthy conservatives who won’t like the idea of paying all those taxes again, but the proof is in the pudding (as people used to say in the 1950’s television-land) that it’s the best thing for our country, and at the end of the day aren’t we all good American patriots? So, I’m sure the nay-sayers will ultimately join in and buck up to do their part.

Besides, all of those twisted arguments against high taxes on the rich, that have been propagated for years to reduce taxes for the rich, have no true foundations in reality. For example, they often argue that the high taxes:

- deter people from wanting to earn more
- strangle small businesses
- cost jobs (related to the strangling of small businesses above)
- reduce consumer spending and retard the economy

However, in 1950’s America nobody stopped chasing wealth. The Kennedy’s, Rockefellers, Mellons and so-on continued to grow their family fortunes despite the tax rates. And heck, more middle class working Americans believed that they too could become wealthy one day and as a result were inspired to work harder to obtain wealth. That was good for business.

Every small town and metropolitan neighborhood in the country had Mom-n-Pop stores in it back then. Small businesses were thriving, despite the higher taxes on the uber-rich. And there were jobs-o-plenty, which paid decent wages that allowed families to get by on a single income, leaving one parent free to stay home and raise the children. Mostly because with stronger unions it wasn’t so easy for profitable companies to hide their money or move jobs overseas or reduce labor forces and demand higher productivity out of the workers left.


And the economy thrived from all of those small businesses selling the latest Vitameatavegimins and Rocket-like Aluminum-laminated appliances made by Americans to the same working Americans who wanted the shiny new things for their homes and yards. Money was moving everywhere back then.

Then, in the mid-1960’s the tax rate was lowered to 70% and guess what? That’s right, we began going through some tumultuous times here in America, but the bottom didn’t really drop out on us until the 1980’s when one party (and I’m not going to name names here) decided that drastically reducing taxes on the wealthiest Americans all the way down to 28%, curtailing regulations on industry, and busting the labor unions were the vogue things to do.

That’s when we finally lost all of those small Mom-n-Pop businesses and decent jobs to large retail corporations who shipped their products in from places like Taiwan and China, killing both the small business retailer and American manufacturing in a single blow. They actually broke the system that sustained their own fantasy-America.

But this isn’t about pointing fingers. This is about Americans uniting once again and making things better for all of us. So I offer my hand to my conservative friends, and hope my liberal friends will join me in saying let’s bring back the 1950’s America (as seen on TV) together.

Let’s have all of the goodies that the fantasy can offer, paid for by the return of 90% tax rates on the rich and the sweat of unionized working Americans. We’ll penalize those (including corporations) non-patriots who try to undermine our America by hiding money or jobs offshore, and with a little bit of work (and a lot of free narcotics) I think we might be able to get the majority of gals to come along on the abortion thing too.

What do you say?

http://www.pbnv.com/a/im-with-my-conservative-friends-bring-back-the-1950s-as-seen-on-tv/




well, I am not sure when there has ever been a 90% tax rate, but the other ideas may not be so terrible

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/09/11 01:27 AM


(as seen on TV)
A nation of 2 parent homes, white picket fences on every street, the local cop on foot-patrol who stops at your door from time to time just to say, “Hi”…I can get on-board with all of it.

Now, if my conservative friends will just meet me half way and agree to accept the 90% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans that was also in place in the 1950’s, and join me in praising the labor unions which were strong enough back then to grow our middle class to it’s strongest position ever (which kept consumer spending and our economy strong by the way), we’ll have peace and harmony once again.

Sure, there will be some pesky issues to handle that weren’t being addressed properly back then, but I’m confident that the women and minority groups can get their voices heard in a peaceful manner on those.

And speaking of women, hey gals, I’m gonna ask you to take one for the team here and let the state own your body. If we’re serious about making this fantasy-America return to the 1950’s, we’ll need to give conservatives their way on the abortion issue.

I know that’s a biggie for you, but just think of what we’ll get in exchange for your sacrifice: Universal Health care, Better Educations (perhaps even including free Universities nationwide) and Schools, Expansive and freshly paved highways from coast to coast (how pretty will we be then?), A fresh coat of paint for every bridge in the country, An end to borrowing money from China in order to fund our misadventures…the list goes on and on.

Yes, by once again taxing the wealthiest Americans at 90% we could pay for all of that stuff, and a whole lot more.

Sure, some of you girls may get stuck in loveless marriages and living lives that you never wanted, being forced to care for snot-nosed brats you don’t like, but the Valium you’ll need to get through the day (just like Grandma used to use) will be free! Come on, that’s a good deal.

Oh, I know there will be some nay-sayers, probably among wealthy conservatives who won’t like the idea of paying all those taxes again, but the proof is in the pudding (as people used to say in the 1950’s television-land) that it’s the best thing for our country, and at the end of the day aren’t we all good American patriots? So, I’m sure the nay-sayers will ultimately join in and buck up to do their part.

Besides, all of those twisted arguments against high taxes on the rich, that have been propagated for years to reduce taxes for the rich, have no true foundations in reality. For example, they often argue that the high taxes:

- deter people from wanting to earn more
- strangle small businesses
- cost jobs (related to the strangling of small businesses above)
- reduce consumer spending and retard the economy

However, in 1950’s America nobody stopped chasing wealth. The Kennedy’s, Rockefellers, Mellons and so-on continued to grow their family fortunes despite the tax rates. And heck, more middle class working Americans believed that they too could become wealthy one day and as a result were inspired to work harder to obtain wealth. That was good for business.

Every small town and metropolitan neighborhood in the country had Mom-n-Pop stores in it back then. Small businesses were thriving, despite the higher taxes on the uber-rich. And there were jobs-o-plenty, which paid decent wages that allowed families to get by on a single income, leaving one parent free to stay home and raise the children. Mostly because with stronger unions it wasn’t so easy for profitable companies to hide their money or move jobs overseas or reduce labor forces and demand higher productivity out of the workers left.


And the economy thrived from all of those small businesses selling the latest Vitameatavegimins and Rocket-like Aluminum-laminated appliances made by Americans to the same working Americans who wanted the shiny new things for their homes and yards. Money was moving everywhere back then.

Then, in the mid-1960’s the tax rate was lowered to 70% and guess what? That’s right, we began going through some tumultuous times here in America, but the bottom didn’t really drop out on us until the 1980’s when one party (and I’m not going to name names here) decided that drastically reducing taxes on the wealthiest Americans all the way down to 28%, curtailing regulations on industry, and busting the labor unions were the vogue things to do.

That’s when we finally lost all of those small Mom-n-Pop businesses and decent jobs to large retail corporations who shipped their products in from places like Taiwan and China, killing both the small business retailer and American manufacturing in a single blow. They actually broke the system that sustained their own fantasy-America.

But this isn’t about pointing fingers. This is about Americans uniting once again and making things better for all of us. So I offer my hand to my conservative friends, and hope my liberal friends will join me in saying let’s bring back the 1950’s America (as seen on TV) together.

Let’s have all of the goodies that the fantasy can offer, paid for by the return of 90% tax rates on the rich and the sweat of unionized working Americans. We’ll penalize those (including corporations) non-patriots who try to undermine our America by hiding money or jobs offshore, and with a little bit of work (and a lot of free narcotics) I think we might be able to get the majority of gals to come along on the abortion thing too.

What do you say?

http://www.pbnv.com/a/im-with-my-conservative-friends-bring-back-the-1950s-as-seen-on-tv/




well, I am not sure when there has ever been a 90% tax rate, but the other ideas may not be so terrible
1950's Top Tax Rate was 3 times higher than now. So why was the 50's economy so good?
The top rate was 92% in the 1950's, that was what helped build the Interstate sytem. The 1950's also had the larggest growth of the middle class in world history. GDP was 4%/

Todays top rate is 35% and we are fighting about raising it to 39%. Our economy sucks, the Middle Class is SHRINKING FAST, GDP is 1% and almost crashed completely while the top rate was 35% since 2003.

So what gives Truth Seekers?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101116203730AAZlNnV

Just google 1950s tax rate it was 92% for married couples with an income of $400,000

Okami04's photo
Sun 01/09/11 06:18 AM
yea lets bring back Carthy era politics and government propaganda trying to convince us we can survive nukes by duck and cover and communism and global jihad is taking over the world im gonna pass

lilott's photo
Sun 01/09/11 07:11 AM
The best way to bring back the economy is to quit giving tax breaks to companies that ship their jobs out of the country.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 01/09/11 08:17 AM

The best way to bring back the economy is to quit giving tax breaks to companies that ship their jobs out of the country.

the best way to allow the economy to recover is to get the politics and politicians out of it.

Each one is so busy getting theirs (and their friends) that the legislation they pass is made simply to further their individual ends.

Which is why we have massive 2000 page 'books' instead of actual legislation.

Because to get a 'law' passed they have to pat each other on the back... Resulting in 'padding' of 200 or more 'individual' agendas attached to EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION PASSED.


heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 01/09/11 08:34 AM
In the 50's, Americans produced more than they consumed, produced better products, were better educated, were less dependent on government, were less regulated and taxed. Then, as now, people who were in the high income tax bracket were clever enough to find loopholes in the tax code. IOW, the OP conveniently ignores the vast, vast majority of relevant factors (the post-war artificial boom, inflation creep, foreign and developing markets, welfare/warfare rackets, etc.).

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/09/11 04:56 PM

In the 50's, Americans produced more than they consumed, produced better products, were better educated, were less dependent on government, were less regulated and taxed. Then, as now, people who were in the high income tax bracket were clever enough to find loopholes in the tax code. IOW, the OP conveniently ignores the vast, vast majority of relevant factors (the post-war artificial boom, inflation creep, foreign and developing markets, welfare/warfare rackets, etc.).
That and a 90% tax rate on the super rich.

motowndowntown's photo
Sun 01/09/11 05:21 PM
About a third of my paycheck goes to taxes and fees every week.
On top of that there are the local property taxes, sales taxes, and other various fees. Altogether I bet about half of my pay goes to paying taxes. If I can afford a fifty percent tax rate, Bill Gates and all the other multi-millionaires in this country can do very well with a few less; BMWs in their garages, gold toilet fixtures, houses the size of airplane hangers, and all the other crap they seem to need to bolster their egos.

Okami04's photo
Sun 01/09/11 10:22 PM
Work outside of America there are a ton of overseas jobs for Americans that you can Bank, I am plan on teaching English in Taiwan later this year the pay is good I will pay taxes to Taiwan(Not The USA even though I am suppose too lol F that) and I will have full Medical and Dental care there

boredinaz06's photo
Sun 01/09/11 10:32 PM


Here ya go chief, knock yourself out!

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/16-50inintsatrates.pdf

Chazster's photo
Sun 01/09/11 10:36 PM
Edited by Chazster on Sun 01/09/11 10:42 PM


In the 50's, Americans produced more than they consumed, produced better products, were better educated, were less dependent on government, were less regulated and taxed. Then, as now, people who were in the high income tax bracket were clever enough to find loopholes in the tax code. IOW, the OP conveniently ignores the vast, vast majority of relevant factors (the post-war artificial boom, inflation creep, foreign and developing markets, welfare/warfare rackets, etc.).
That and a 90% tax rate on the super rich.


That is just retarded. Also what he is failing to mention was there were a lot more "write offs" back then and it was 90% of taxable income. They could write off a lot of their expenses so they didnt really pay that much.

DiveBomber4's photo
Sun 01/09/11 11:00 PM
Not to mention, there simply were'nt that many "rich" people in the 1950's.
Not like today!!

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 01/10/11 04:36 AM

Not to mention, there simply were'nt that many "rich" people in the 1950's.
Not like today!!
How about some stats on that.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/10/11 05:20 AM

(as seen on TV)
A nation of 2 parent homes, white picket fences on every street, the local cop on foot-patrol who stops at your door from time to time just to say, “Hi”…I can get on-board with all of it.

Now, if my conservative friends will just meet me half way and agree to accept the 90% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans that was also in place in the 1950’s, and join me in praising the labor unions which were strong enough back then to grow our middle class to it’s strongest position ever (which kept consumer spending and our economy strong by the way), we’ll have peace and harmony once again.

Sure, there will be some pesky issues to handle that weren’t being addressed properly back then, but I’m confident that the women and minority groups can get their voices heard in a peaceful manner on those.

And speaking of women, hey gals, I’m gonna ask you to take one for the team here and let the state own your body. If we’re serious about making this fantasy-America return to the 1950’s, we’ll need to give conservatives their way on the abortion issue.

I know that’s a biggie for you, but just think of what we’ll get in exchange for your sacrifice: Universal Health care, Better Educations (perhaps even including free Universities nationwide) and Schools, Expansive and freshly paved highways from coast to coast (how pretty will we be then?), A fresh coat of paint for every bridge in the country, An end to borrowing money from China in order to fund our misadventures…the list goes on and on.

Yes, by once again taxing the wealthiest Americans at 90% we could pay for all of that stuff, and a whole lot more.

Sure, some of you girls may get stuck in loveless marriages and living lives that you never wanted, being forced to care for snot-nosed brats you don’t like, but the Valium you’ll need to get through the day (just like Grandma used to use) will be free! Come on, that’s a good deal.

Oh, I know there will be some nay-sayers, probably among wealthy conservatives who won’t like the idea of paying all those taxes again, but the proof is in the pudding (as people used to say in the 1950’s television-land) that it’s the best thing for our country, and at the end of the day aren’t we all good American patriots? So, I’m sure the nay-sayers will ultimately join in and buck up to do their part.

Besides, all of those twisted arguments against high taxes on the rich, that have been propagated for years to reduce taxes for the rich, have no true foundations in reality. For example, they often argue that the high taxes:

- deter people from wanting to earn more
- strangle small businesses
- cost jobs (related to the strangling of small businesses above)
- reduce consumer spending and retard the economy

However, in 1950’s America nobody stopped chasing wealth. The Kennedy’s, Rockefellers, Mellons and so-on continued to grow their family fortunes despite the tax rates. And heck, more middle class working Americans believed that they too could become wealthy one day and as a result were inspired to work harder to obtain wealth. That was good for business.

Every small town and metropolitan neighborhood in the country had Mom-n-Pop stores in it back then. Small businesses were thriving, despite the higher taxes on the uber-rich. And there were jobs-o-plenty, which paid decent wages that allowed families to get by on a single income, leaving one parent free to stay home and raise the children. Mostly because with stronger unions it wasn’t so easy for profitable companies to hide their money or move jobs overseas or reduce labor forces and demand higher productivity out of the workers left.


And the economy thrived from all of those small businesses selling the latest Vitameatavegimins and Rocket-like Aluminum-laminated appliances made by Americans to the same working Americans who wanted the shiny new things for their homes and yards. Money was moving everywhere back then.

Then, in the mid-1960’s the tax rate was lowered to 70% and guess what? That’s right, we began going through some tumultuous times here in America, but the bottom didn’t really drop out on us until the 1980’s when one party (and I’m not going to name names here) decided that drastically reducing taxes on the wealthiest Americans all the way down to 28%, curtailing regulations on industry, and busting the labor unions were the vogue things to do.

That’s when we finally lost all of those small Mom-n-Pop businesses and decent jobs to large retail corporations who shipped their products in from places like Taiwan and China, killing both the small business retailer and American manufacturing in a single blow. They actually broke the system that sustained their own fantasy-America.

But this isn’t about pointing fingers. This is about Americans uniting once again and making things better for all of us. So I offer my hand to my conservative friends, and hope my liberal friends will join me in saying let’s bring back the 1950’s America (as seen on TV) together.

Let’s have all of the goodies that the fantasy can offer, paid for by the return of 90% tax rates on the rich and the sweat of unionized working Americans. We’ll penalize those (including corporations) non-patriots who try to undermine our America by hiding money or jobs offshore, and with a little bit of work (and a lot of free narcotics) I think we might be able to get the majority of gals to come along on the abortion thing too.

What do you say?

http://www.pbnv.com/a/im-with-my-conservative-friends-bring-back-the-1950s-as-seen-on-tv/


Spot On!!! drinker

metalwing's photo
Mon 01/10/11 05:33 AM
All the US industrial competition was bombed to oblivion after WWII. The US industrial output was to supply the whole world with needed goods. I assume the OP means to blow most of the world off the map to achieve this Utopian result.

As soon as the factories of Japan and Germany were rebuilt they started taking market share from the US in automobiles and heavy industry. As the labor unions caused American products to be less and less competitive, America lost more and more market share.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 01/10/11 07:09 AM

All the US industrial competition was bombed to oblivion after WWII. The US industrial output was to supply the whole world with needed goods. I assume the OP means to blow most of the world off the map to achieve this Utopian result.

As soon as the factories of Japan and Germany were rebuilt they started taking market share from the US in automobiles and heavy industry. As the labor unions caused American products to be less and less competitive, America lost more and more market share.


This is an excellent point. ^^ Also, dollar hegemony was much stronger back in the 50's and the Federal budget was not as weighed down by maintaining a global empire and massive welfare state as it is now.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 01/10/11 10:42 AM


All the US industrial competition was bombed to oblivion after WWII. The US industrial output was to supply the whole world with needed goods. I assume the OP means to blow most of the world off the map to achieve this Utopian result.

As soon as the factories of Japan and Germany were rebuilt they started taking market share from the US in automobiles and heavy industry. As the labor unions caused American products to be less and less competitive, America lost more and more market share.


This is an excellent point. ^^ Also, dollar hegemony was much stronger back in the 50's and the Federal budget was not as weighed down by maintaining a global empire and massive welfare state as it is now.

good point!!!

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/10/11 12:09 PM

All the US industrial competition was bombed to oblivion after WWII. The US industrial output was to supply the whole world with needed goods. I assume the OP means to blow most of the world off the map to achieve this Utopian result.

As soon as the factories of Japan and Germany were rebuilt they started taking market share from the US in automobiles and heavy industry. As the labor unions caused American products to be less and less competitive, America lost more and more market share.


Some, but the biggest hit to the US manufacturing came after a visit by Nixon to China in 1972.

Europe is still struggling with debt and does not contribute a lot to America's trade deficit.

China is the cheapest source of labor in the world.
There are many other factors involved as well, but it would not help cure the blindness for me to type them.

DiveBomber4's photo
Mon 01/10/11 08:11 PM
We were'nt involved with China very much in the 1950's.
It was simply a better time!!