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TOO serious in here lately – here’s some stuff everyone can laugh at (I think). Of course if you don’t think these are funny – You might just 'believe' in the AGENDA. (never mind – you’ll get it)
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
--President George Bush, August 27, 1988 http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6505.shtml
Attacking gays, women, and Halloween: The Christian Right strikes again By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Oct 28, 2010, 00:17 “The radical Christian Right does not have a lock on spirituality or how it’s to be experienced. They do, however, have a lock on … hysterical rhetoric.” I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice . . . [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don’t even realize it. --Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, October 1982 Addressing a group of conservative voters on Friday, Sen. Jim DeMint, reiterated his belief that openly gay people and unmarried straight women who sleep with a partner shouldn’t teach children (author of the article commented: - Typical of the Christian Right’s misogyny, Sen. DeMint didn’t seem to mention men “who have sex outside of marriage,”) Pastor Ken Hutcherson says: “Legislators around the country are considering … Perhaps they should consider banning the promotion of a lifestyle that the Centers For Disease Control has determined actually causes HIV/AIDS. (author of the article commented - The only “cause” of AIDS is the HIV virus that globally afflicts more straight people than gays, even adjusting for relative percentages of populations.) Pastor Ken Hutcherson & David Barton and Rick Green of Wallbuilders radio program discussed the need to have the government to regulate homosexual conduct while warning that failure to do so would lead to the destruction of the United States within three generations: However it was Also pointed out that: During his tirade, apparently Barton read from an 1814 “legal study” that suggested gays could destroy America in as little as three generations. An 1814 “legal study”? Slavery was not only legal but the norm in many states in 1814. Women were not allowed to vote in any political election in 1814 and were squarely placed in a second-class position in patriarchal America. Minorities and minority rights were definitely not on the minds of the men who wrote that 1814 “legal study.” The battle over traditional marriage is, in fact, a battle to preserve our civilization from tumbling into the ash heap of history -- as many civilizations have gone before. --Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, Traditional Values Coalition, October 2004 "We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
-- Gary Bauer, Family Research Council OH I GET IT NOW --- “THE AGENDA”, (below) But what is the Gay AGENDA "(W)hile it is true that the United States of America was founded on the sacred principle of religious freedom for all, that liberty was never intended to exalt other religions to the level that Christianity holds in our country's heritage.
Our Founders expected that Christianity -- and no other religion -- would receive support from the government as long as that support did not violate peoples' consciences and their right to worship. They would have found utterly incredible the idea that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal deference. As for our Hindu priest friend, the United States is a nation that has historically honored the one true God. Woe be to us on that day when we relegate him to being merely one among countless other deities in the pantheon of theologies." --Family Research Council, Culture Facts newsletter 9/21/2000, commenting on a Hindu priest giving the opening prayer in the House of Representatives “WOE BE TO US” ? Oh yea that’s the whole basis of the following 4. We oppose the gay movement's efforts to convince our society that their behavior is normal because we fear the judgment of God on our nation.
(commontator)In this instance, we can see some of the fear and desperation hiding behind their opposition to homosexuality - they aren't just trying to save some sinners, but they fear that their "loving" god will punish the entire nation. Evidently, this god of theirs is not simply interested in punishing the actual perpetrators of sin by casting them into Hell after they die. Instead, this "loving" god will punish the entire nation corporately as one, as if all were to be made responsible for the actions of any one. I took the liberty of only posting the summary in the next one. IS THIS “THE AGENDA” we can expect in our schools if THEY win???? http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/2010/05/goplinked-punk-rock-ministry-says-executing-gays-is-moral-and-each-gay-person-molests-117-people-bef.html
You Can Run But You Cannot Hide, Inc., a 501-c-3 nonprofit ministry that brings its hard rock gospel into public schools Just to make sure you're following, here's a current rundown of GREAT TRUTHS: *Each gay person molests 117 people before they're found out. *Jews in the Middle Ages poisoned wells, caused the Black Death, and sacrificed Christian babies. *Now only the Masons do those sorts of things. Oh, and "the gays." *All black people devour fried chicken and watermelon all the live-long day. *The Earth is about 6,000-12,000 years old. So, things like 350,000 year-old pigments in Zambian cave art or 30,000 year-old flax clothing fibers in the Caucasus or 4,400,000,000 year-old zircon in Canada are all falsehood that Satan has duped 1,000's of obviously God-hating scientists into believing, which is especially easy for Satan to do because scientists love to agree with each other all of the time and are reluctant to challenge other scientists' ideas or attempt to confirm their experiment-based findings. *Blondes are dumb. If that’s THEIR Agenda than I think the following MUST BE THE GAY AGENDA – what do you think? we atheists and freethinkers should take a keen interest in this. Although it may not seem like "our fight, " every battle to expand liberty and promote freedom should be actively supported by us. In addition to being glad of the prospect of seeing the influence of the Religious Right diminish, we must keep in mind that should they win, we will almost certainly be their next targets. - http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/rr/blfaq_rr_afa_homosexuality.htm
In Minnesota, Religious Right Fights Anti-Bullying Policies, GSA’s
Submitted by Brian on October 4, 2010 - 8:56am http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/minnesota-religious-right-fights-anti-bullying-policies-gsa%E2%80%99s The Minnesota Family Council (MFC) is pushing back against efforts to improve the climate for LGBT students in the Anoka-Hennepin School District, where community members are mourning suicides by four LGBT students in the last year. The real issue is “homosexual indoctrination,” not anti-gay bullying, says MFC’s Tom Prichard, who says the students are dead because they adopted an “unhealthy lifestyle.” I THOUGHT THE REAL ISSUE WAS “THE AGENDA”? http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/06/03/religious-right-leader-say-gays-in-military-bring-nazism/
Posted in Anti-Gay, Christian Right by Hatewatch Staff on June 3, 2010 Religious Right Leader Says Gays in Military Bring Nazism It appears Congress is on the verge of repealing the controversial “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (DADT) policy for gays in the military. But that, according to the American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer, would be a mistake of epic proportions: It could produce gay, goose-stepping Nazis in America. Fischer, the religious-right group’s director of issue analysis for government and public policy, claimed last week that Adolf Hitler’s storm troopers were, in fact, a sinister gay fighting force. Only homosexuals were sufficiently vicious to carry out Hitler’s most brutal orders without question, Fischer argues. Heterosexual soldiers just weren’t up to the gruesome task. http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/religious_right_leader_says_yoga_is_a_sin_against_christianity
Religious Right Leader Says Yoga Is a Sin Against Christianity by Michael A. Jones October 07, 2010 "To a remarkable degree, the growing acceptance of yoga points to the retreat of biblical Christianity in the culture. Yoga begins and ends with an understanding of the body that is, to say the very least, at odds with the Christian understanding," SBS President Albert Mohler said. "When Christians practice yoga, they must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga." You might think that Mohler is a lonely voice on this subject. But he's most certainly not. Pat Robertson once called yoga "spooky," and a California megachurch pastor, John MacArthur, called yoga a "false religion." http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/religious_right_were_concerned_about_gay_tsa_agents
Religious Right: We're Concerned About Gay TSA Agents … the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), which is getting all sorts of flak for new screening procedures at airports that many passengers say are nothing short of "virtual foreplay" or "sexual assault." Passenger outrage at the new TSA screenings have even launched a new line of T-shirts with the words "You touch my junk and I'll have you arrested" plastered on the front. But if you ask Peter LaBarbera with the radical religious right group Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), it's not new TSA screening procedures that should have passengers upset. It's the fact that some TSA agents might be gay or lesbian that should have passengers clamoring for refunds on their plane tickets. LaBarbera goes on to say that the TSA, by letting gay or lesbian TSA agents search people of the same gender, is fostering discrimination. You know, against all those religious people who are forced by the TSA to undergo pat downs from the homosexuals. "To allow homosexual agents to conduct same-gender pat-downs is tantamount to a new form of discrimination that must be recognized and prevented," LaBarbera ended. WELL WASN’T THAT FUN? |
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Lets have some more fun shall we?
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=16928 Student newspaper's anti-Christian cartoons rile community EUGENE, Ore. — Anti-Christian cartoons in a University of Oregon student newspaper, The Insurgent, has angered students, local Catholic organizations and now involves national cable TV commentator Bill O'Reilly.One cartoon depicted Jesus on the cross with an erection. Another depicted a sexually aroused Jesus kissing another man. The issue also included essays critical of Christianity and Catholicism. Rev. Fred Winters was murdered while preaching in his pulpit in Maryville, Illinois. HBO’s program "Curb Your Enthusiasm" aired an episode where the main actor urinates on painting of Jesus. When confronted HBO would not apologize. Police called to East Jessamine Middle School in Lexington, Kentucky to stop 8th graders from praying during their lunch break for a student whose mother was tragically killed. Pro-life activist Jim Pullion was murdered in front of his granddaughter's high school for showing the truth about abortion. An activist judge ordered a home school mom in New Hampshire to stop home schooling her daughter because the little girl “reflected too strongly” her mother’s Christian faith. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1080745/Nun-attacked-gang-raped-40-men-anti-Christian-violence-India.html Nun 'attacked and gang-raped by 40 men' during anti-Christian attacks in India slams police for shielding attackers http://www.neaiga.org/anti-christian.htm Christian 'fish' symbol spawns discrimination claims Two Virginia realtors have been taken to task by the state's Fair Housing Board for using the Ichthys, or "Jesus fish," and John 3:16 in their advertising.t would seem to be a perfectly legal expression of faith, but Dr. Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission says someone obviously felt differently. IRS tells pro-lifers to give up 1st Amendment The Internal Revenue Service has told members of the Coalition for Life of Iowa they would have to give up their 1st Amendment rights in order to be recognized as a non-profit organization, according to a complaint being pursued by members of the Thomas More Society. The organization incorporated in 2004 as a not-for-profit under Iowa law and has been operating strictly within the guidelines for groups set up for religious, educational and charitable a letter sent to the IRS last week said. The National Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secular Student Societies launches "anti-God squad" to mobilize non-believersvery religion on campus has its student society, from the Christian Union to the Jedi Knights. Now the non-religionists will have theirs too.The National Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secular Student Societies launches today to mobilize non-believers.The "anti-God squad", as it is happy to be called, says it will fight for the voices of what it believes to be the majority of students to be heard on campus and further a field.It is planning campaigns and events across the country to protest against religious privilege and promote the understanding of science.It has the support of some of the country's leading critics of religion: the scientist Richard Dawkins, the philosopher AC Grayling, and the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee. UK Parents face prosecution over school gay week protest Parents who took their children out of school in protest at them being taught about gay, bisexual and transgender history could be prosecuted.Council bosses said the protest resulted in around 30 primary pupils missing school and had "taken action" against parents who pulled took their children out of George Tomlinson School in Leytonstone, east London, but refused to state what sanctions are being taken. Oxford Junior Dictionary Drops Christian Words The latest edition of the Oxford Junior Dictionary has dropped many words associated with Christianity and British history that were found in earlier versions.Christian-related words like "bishop," "chapel," "disciple," "minister," "sin," and "devil," have been replaced by words like "blog," "biodegradable," "MP3 player," "democratic,"and "celebrity," in the 2007 edition of the popular children's dictionary in the United Kingdom, which was largely unnoticed until recently. Court to decide whether campus evangelism a crime The so-called "free-speech code" of Yuba Community College District is under federal court scrutiny. California student, Ryan Dozier, decided to spend some time on campus sharing his faith and handing out tracts to fellow students, generating conversations about Christianity. Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) attorney Heather Hacker comments on the situation."A campus police officer came over and told him that if he continued to do so without a permit that he would be possibly expelled or arrested, and so Ryan stopped immediately," she explains. Hacker says Dozier thought the case was closed, but he was apparently mistaken. REWARDS OFFERED FOR MURDERING CHRISTIANS, DESTROYING HOMES, CHURCHES Hindu extremist groups are offering money, food and alcohol to anyone who murders Christians and destroys their homes. The violence is nothing new in Orissa, India, where India's Communist Party estimates that more than 500 Christians have been killed by Hindu mobs in Orissa since late August, 12 times more than official government claims of only 40 homicides.But now the stakes are even higher – and pastors have a bounty on their heads.Faiz Rahman, chairman of Good News India, said Hindu militants are targeting Christian leaders, the Christian Post reported. ‘The going price to kill a pastor is $250,’ he said. Rahman, a head of several orphanages in Orissa State, said he's helped 25 pastors to leave refugee camps, but 250 Christian leaders are still in shelters. Atheists advertise on buses - There is no God BRITISH atheists have raised a pile of cash to tell Londoners there's probably no God and to get on with life.The nation's first atheist advertising campaign has beaten its funding target in less than 24 hours, raising nearly nine times the amount it needed to posts its ads on public buses in London. Virginia bans 'Jesus' from troopers' prayers 'This edict is unacceptable and unconstitutional' Virginia Gov. Timothy Kaine is being called on the carpet by a national religious freedom advocacy organization after his administration implemented a new state policy forbidding state police chaplains from using "Jesus Christ" in public prayers, and half a dozen chaplains resigned in protest. Christian photographers fined for refusing same-sex ceremony The state of New Mexico has ordered a family owned photography company to pay more than $6,600 for declining a demand to take pictures at a same-sex ceremony, and a lawyer who is working on an appeal says it is an example of how "non-discrimination" or "hate" laws can be weapons in the hands of homosexual activis Christian Librarian fired for reporting child pornography Supervisor warned her not to call police over illegal activity Librarian Brenda Biesterfeld says she's glad her community considers her a hero for helping nab a child porn suspect, but wants her library job back Christians ordered to pay big bucks – for praying! Lawyer plans appeal of convictions for disorderly conduct at 'gay' fest Lawyers for a team of Christians convicted of disorderly conduct for praying at a "gay" fest in a public park in Elmira, N.Y., are promising an appeal of the verdict that left them with $100 fines.Joel Oster, of the Alliance Defense Fund, said an appeal will be filed in Chemung County court for Julian and Gloria Raven, Maurice Kienenberger and Walter Quick, all of Elmira, who were ordered to pay $95 apiece in court costs in addition to the $100 fines. Police told Christians they had no speech rights in public park A trial is scheduled to begin today in Elmira, N.Y., and lawyers for the defendants say it will be a test of whether the First Amendment affirmations of freedom of speech and freedom of religion still are valid in the United States."Choosing to exercise your First Amendment rights in a public place is not a crime," Joel Oster, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund said. "The government has no right to arrest citizens for exercising their First Amendment rights in public."At issue is the arrest of several Christians at a "gay pride" event is Wisner Park in Elmira in 2007. Julian and Gloria Raven and several others entered the park to pray silently for the participants of the event celebrating homosexual behavior UK Christians being squeezed out of adoptions due to views on homosexuality In November 2007, it was reported that a Christian couple in Somerset, UK, was being forced to retire from fostering needy children on conscientious grounds after the local council imposed rules requiring them to discuss homosexuality with the children. Motion to Protect Religious Freedom and Speech Defeated in UK Gay Hate Crimes Bill The Labor-controlled British Parliament has rejected a motion that would have afforded Christians and other conscientious objectors legal protection from accusations of hate crimes by homosexual activists.The proposed "gay hate crimes" law would carry a maximum penalty of seven years in jail for anyone convicted of "inciting hatred" against homosexuals. |
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TOO serious in here lately – here’s some stuff everyone can laugh at (I think). Of course if you don’t think these are funny – You might just 'believe' in the AGENDA. (never mind – you’ll get it) "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
--President George Bush, August 27, 1988 http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6505.shtml
Attacking gays, women, and Halloween: The Christian Right strikes again By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D. Online Journal Contributing Writer Oct 28, 2010, 00:17 “The radical Christian Right does not have a lock on spirituality or how it’s to be experienced. They do, however, have a lock on … hysterical rhetoric.” I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice . . . [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don’t even realize it. --Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, October 1982 Addressing a group of conservative voters on Friday, Sen. Jim DeMint, reiterated his belief that openly gay people and unmarried straight women who sleep with a partner shouldn’t teach children (author of the article commented: - Typical of the Christian Right’s misogyny, Sen. DeMint didn’t seem to mention men “who have sex outside of marriage,”) Pastor Ken Hutcherson says: “Legislators around the country are considering … Perhaps they should consider banning the promotion of a lifestyle that the Centers For Disease Control has determined actually causes HIV/AIDS. (author of the article commented - The only “cause” of AIDS is the HIV virus that globally afflicts more straight people than gays, even adjusting for relative percentages of populations.) Pastor Ken Hutcherson & David Barton and Rick Green of Wallbuilders radio program discussed the need to have the government to regulate homosexual conduct while warning that failure to do so would lead to the destruction of the United States within three generations: However it was Also pointed out that: During his tirade, apparently Barton read from an 1814 “legal study” that suggested gays could destroy America in as little as three generations. An 1814 “legal study”? Slavery was not only legal but the norm in many states in 1814. Women were not allowed to vote in any political election in 1814 and were squarely placed in a second-class position in patriarchal America. Minorities and minority rights were definitely not on the minds of the men who wrote that 1814 “legal study.” WELL WASN’T THAT FUN? SOUNDS MORE LIKE "PUN" THAN "FUN"... 
It is not a sin nor destructive to be a slave nor black, neither is it a sin nor destructive to be a woman... 
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Well, as long you seem to think what you posted fun - I figured I'd make your day brighter with YOUR KIND OF FUN.
Sorry, I could only do a few - it's just not my kind of humor. http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=16928
Student newspaper's anti-Christian cartoons rile community EUGENE, Ore. — Anti-Christian cartoons in a University of Oregon student newspaper, The Insurgent, has angered students, local Catholic organizations and now involves national cable TV commentator Bill O'Reilly.One cartoon depicted Jesus on the cross with an erection. Another depicted a sexually aroused Jesus kissing another man. The issue also included essays critical of Christianity and Catholicism. HBO’s program "Curb Your Enthusiasm" aired an episode where the main actor urinates on painting of Jesus. When confronted HBO would not apologize. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shahed-amanullah/the-collective-punishment_b_570398.html >>> In the wake of the self-censorship controversy surrounding South Park's portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad, artists intent on defending freedom of speech have responded by organizing an event they call Draw Muhammad Day, to take place on May 20. The goal, according to the website hosting the endeavor, is to defend free speech by showing Muslims that artists "don't back down" when threatened. But the fact is that millions of Muslim-Americans -- many of whom have known about South Park caricatures of Muhammad for years – behaved exactly the way free speech advocates wanted them to: by remaining silent or expressing their feelings peacefully. <<< Rev. Fred Winters was murdered while preaching in his pulpit in Maryville, Illinois.
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html >>>> “The newspaper reported late Sunday a source close to the case confirmed the gunman as Terry Joe Sedlacek, 27, who developed mental illness after Lyme disease attacked his brain.” <<<< You have a stranger sense of humor than I do! Police called to East Jessamine Middle School in Lexington, Kentucky to stop 8th graders from praying during their lunch break for a student whose mother was tragically killed.
That’s terrible, why did they make those poor kids go to school before they were finished praying? Pro-life activist Jim Pullion was murdered in front of his granddaughter's high school for showing the truth about abortion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5][6] •March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison. •July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. •December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings. •January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result. •October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001. •May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7] An activist judge ordered a home school mom in New Hampshire to stop home schooling her daughter because the little girl “reflected too strongly” her mother’s Christian faith.
http://www.nhfamilylawblog.com/tags/martin-kurowski/ >>> “ A recent decision in the Laconia Family Division regarding a parent's disagreement over homeschooling their daughter has been grabbing national attention., including a headline on Fox News. Unfortunately, the news articles, bloggers, and advocates for the mother paint this as a constitutional issue, one of the state interfering with parents' constitutional right to raise their child as they see fit. However, this case is not a constitutional matter or a ruling on the merits or value of homeschooling. It is an example of what happens when two parents cannot agree on what is best for their child.” <<< http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1080745/Nun-attacked-gang-raped-40-men-anti-Christian-violence-India.html
Nun 'attacked and gang-raped by 40 men' during anti-Christian attacks in India slams police for shielding attackers http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36376840/ns/world_news-africa/ In the last year alone, gay men have been arrested in Kenya, Malawi, Sierra Leone and Nigeria. In Uganda, lawmakers are considering a bill that would sentence homosexuals to life in prison and include capital punishment for 'repeat offenders.' And in South Africa, the only country that recognizes gay rights, gangs have carried out so-called "corrective" rapes on lesbians. |
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It is not a sin nor destructive to be a slave nor black,
neither is it a sin nor destructive to be a woman... unless you were once a man. Did you forget to post the humor part of that? |
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I guess I am humorless on these subjects.
I find mans ignorance disturbing for the most part. Showing a lack of intelligent thought that is actually harmful and hateful to other humans is shameful. Using any of the antiquated ideas of man to persecute people for their own individuality or how they were born is not a laughing matter. It is dangerous. |
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I guess I am humorless on these subjects. I find mans ignorance disturbing for the most part. Showing a lack of intelligent thought that is actually harmful and hateful to other humans is shameful. Using any of the antiquated ideas of man to persecute people for their own individuality or how they were born is not a laughing matter. It is dangerous. You win the gold medal, irony is rarely seen from the perspective of individuals that create it. I would like to think that a few rare individuals simply need it to be pointed out. If nothing else, noticing that those with whom one shares an alliance may be more laughable than credable may reduce the tendancy of others to follow blindly. It was a stab in an otherwise dark place.  thanks for your post and your honesty.
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