it's impossible for a Christian to confim their beliefs without making reference to the bible because to do so would go against their belief and be blasphemy

a Christian can not acknowledge a belief in spirits without mentioning God or the bible because to do so would point to a belief in the paranormal and place such a belief in the realm of demon worshipping

all Christians know about God or spirits is not due to personal experiences beyond delusion but due to the path they have supposedly been placed on due to the what they have read in the bible

A discussion can still be done without using bible verses. I can claim that thievery is wrong and immoral without using a bible verse. I can say it is extremely disgusting to kill another human being without using a bible verse. I can say everyone will have their reward for what they have done upon this earth. It's not impossible to have a discussion without using specific bible verses, that's only in between your left and right ear that it can not be done.

We can also tell you of the great love God has for each and everyone of us without using a verse. We can tell you about having felt the presence of the lord without using a verse. We can discuss very deeply on spiritual matters without using verses. Again it is only your premeditated thoughts that claim it can not be done.

So?

The concepts you address here aren't unique to the Bible. In fact, many secular atheists would probably agree with those moral values.

In fact, it's a Christian delusion to suggest that most of the moral teachings of Jesus originated with Jesus. Those moral teachings had been taught many years before Jesus was ever born.

They were taught by Buddha, Confucius, and Lao Tzu, just to mention a few popular people.

The very idea that the Bible is unique in teaching any of these moral values is a fallacy.

I think you would be extremely hard-pressed to even find atheists who feel that random murdering is ethical. They might condone killing in certain situations, but even the Bible does that.

Hell's bells, the Bible condones the killing of unruly children. I would personally argue against that notion as being unethical.

Wiccans, and Mystics can also do the very same thing.

Therefore Christians, Wiccans, and Mystics all worship the same God if you keep BOOKS out of it.

Why spread lies? The bible does not condone to killing unruly children. Tells us to punish them, but not to my knowledge does it tell us to "kill" them. Please enlighten us. And no the bible does NOT condone killing someone. Killing someone and judgement are two totally different things cause if not there are a lot of judges in this day and age that need to be put to death because they judged someone to the death sentence. Again the bible does NOT condone "killing".

No i'm afraid not my friend. Some don't even believe Jesus ever existed, some think him just to be a prophet. If one does not accept and believe in Jesus how can one accept and believe in God our father which art in heaven?
Jesus is the only begotten child of God.

I spread no lies. If you're going to support a religious doctrine then support it. If you're going to be in denial of it, then why bother pretending that you support it?

I think that Redy started this thread to show that if we don't use books and merely share our views on views on spirituality in general we'll quickly discover that we all basically share the same views.

It's only when we point to books that we start to disagree on things.

The claim that you have posted here can only be found in a book.

Without that book you would have absolutely no reason to think that some man named Jesus ever lived, much less that there were rumors that he was a demigod.

You do spread lies. I'm in no denial about supporting it. God had instructed us to judge by the word, bottom line. JUDGE the person by the word. Again this is NOT "KILLING". Judges across the world do it all the time. So with your way of thinking these judges should also be judged for killing someone. No different.

And without history books you would have absolutely no reason to think that some man named Abraham Lincoln ever lived, much less was president of the USA. And so on and so on with everything in history. Yes of course the book is needed to know the information on God and Jesus, because that is what it is a HISTORY book. Gives us history on the planet. Shows us the consequence of other people's actions so that we may learn from what they did wrong. Without books you have absolutely no reason to believe in much of anything. The ONLY thing that can be proven without a book is the here and now. Nothing of the past can be shown without some form of history book or history artefact. Heck you can't even prove what happened 5 minutes ago without using some form of history information to back what you are claiming.

The bible is not needed to KNOW God specifically. It contains our laws, and history of mankind. The bible again is merely information on our Father and how to achieve the gift of heaven. God is not in that book. Only instructions are in the bible.

Stoning a child to death is killing.

The Bible instructs people to stone unruly children to death.

No lies being spread, just truth.

Like I say, if you want to support a doctrine then support it, don't be in denial of it and call other people liars for pointing out what's actually in the doctrine.

AGAIN, a judgement is totally different then just "killing". Or else again every judge on this earth that has given the death penalty should be put to death themselves for making such a judgement and killing those people.

So?

I don't need history books to tell you my feelings on spirituality.

My feelings on spirituality are entirely intuitive.

It's true that I often point to the Eastern Mystical view of spirituality as a philosophical picture that best aligns with my own personal intuitive feelings, but I don't get my ideas of spirituality from Eastern Mysticism.

It's true that I often point to Wicca as a beautiful means for communing and praising God. But I don't get my spiritual ideas from Wicca.

My spirituality requires no books and no history. On the contrary it's as innate as it can be.

Whether Abraham Lincoln was ever lived or was the president of the United States is totally irrelevant to my spiritual views.

Killing is killing. It's the act of putting someone to death.

It doesn't matter what the reason might be behind it. At best all you could claim is that the "killing" was supposedly justified.

But it's still killing.

And yes, every judge who dishes out the death penalty is indeed responsible for having someone put to death. That's right.

If they didn't want that responsibility they shouldn't have applied for the job in the first place.

Neither do I. I do not need a book to tell you of the great glory of God. And yes Lincoln is irrelevant to your spiritual views. Was only an example to show how books are important about knowing the past. Christianity requires no books or histories either. Just those aquired tools make it easier to be an obedient child. With the history we can see where people have gone wrong in the past and with obeying the laws given in the scriptures we can try to never do as what was done in the past. But as in knowing our father, the book is irrelevant. God is not in the book. Again the book only contains information on how to be obedient to our father.

Sure it does.

You would have no reason to even mention the concept of a "Christ" if you had no book to point to. Much less a God who supposedly hates homosexuality.

Nope, Christianity can't exist without the Bible because Christianity is nothing more than a belief in the Bible. Period.

Weather it's handed down or in a book, ALL beliefs come from a book or having someone tell them of it. And no Christianity isn't a belief in the bible. Christianity is the belief in our father. Weather this information was passed down to one by word of mouth or from reading it out of the bible.

No that's not true.

My spiritual beliefs are entirely intuitive and come from within. I felt my spiritual beliefs before I could even talk.

The kinds of beliefs you're talking about is nothing more than accepting the beliefs of others. Apparently you have no beliefs of your own, all you have is what other people have told you.