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Topic: The NO BIBLE ALLOWED Thread can you handle it?
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Tue 05/10/11 07:09 PM


Yeah I can see women being much more attracted to conceded men :). I don't know what I was thinking women were looking for kindness, sensitivity, care, and a tender hand to heal their pains both physical and emotionally. Yes women want a strong hand to hold, not a little wimpy girl. But that doesn't mean they want a crude man that worries about how his shirt looks on him. Is appearance all you pay attention to Funches? Is that all you're looking for? Humor, Caring, loving, sweetness, ect are the greatest aspects of a woman, the looks are just extra. Less you want to admit now, that you're just in a relationship for the appearance of a woman and or that is the main reason.


Cowboy ...if your claim that caring, loving, sweetness in a woman are the greatest aspect...then perhaps you should find those same qualities within yourself and refrain from telling them that flesh and lust is sinful

because this mean that you will never make any positive comment to your spouse about her appearance ...would that in itself not be crude?


There is more to complimenting a woman's appearance outside of her being sexy. She could be gorgeous, beautiful, pretty, absolutely gorgeous, angelic, ect. Why must complimenting a woman on her appearance have to do anything with sex and or her sexual appearance?

Kleisto's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:17 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Tue 05/10/11 07:18 PM



Yeah I can see women being much more attracted to conceded men :). I don't know what I was thinking women were looking for kindness, sensitivity, care, and a tender hand to heal their pains both physical and emotionally. Yes women want a strong hand to hold, not a little wimpy girl. But that doesn't mean they want a crude man that worries about how his shirt looks on him. Is appearance all you pay attention to Funches? Is that all you're looking for? Humor, Caring, loving, sweetness, ect are the greatest aspects of a woman, the looks are just extra. Less you want to admit now, that you're just in a relationship for the appearance of a woman and or that is the main reason.


Cowboy ...if your claim that caring, loving, sweetness in a woman are the greatest aspect...then perhaps you should find those same qualities within yourself and refrain from telling them that flesh and lust is sinful

because this mean that you will never make any positive comment to your spouse about her appearance ...would that in itself not be crude?


There is more to complimenting a woman's appearance outside of her being sexy. She could be gorgeous, beautiful, pretty, absolutely gorgeous, angelic, ect. Why must complimenting a woman on her appearance have to do anything with sex and or her sexual appearance?


Because if you're gonna be in a relationship with a girl where sex is gonna be involved at some point, she is gonna wanna feel desirable and attractive to whomever she's with.

That's not to say the emotional aspect doesn't have its' place within the relationship, as of course a good one needs that type of connection as a base, but if she doesn't feel attractive to you, wanted and desired, you're not gonna get much farther than a platonic relationship I'm afraid. You need a bit of both emotional and physical aspects for a relationship to work. Having one or the other isn't gonna be enough. There has to be a balance.

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Tue 05/10/11 07:24 PM
To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:25 PM




Yeah I can see women being much more attracted to conceded men :). I don't know what I was thinking women were looking for kindness, sensitivity, care, and a tender hand to heal their pains both physical and emotionally. Yes women want a strong hand to hold, not a little wimpy girl. But that doesn't mean they want a crude man that worries about how his shirt looks on him. Is appearance all you pay attention to Funches? Is that all you're looking for? Humor, Caring, loving, sweetness, ect are the greatest aspects of a woman, the looks are just extra. Less you want to admit now, that you're just in a relationship for the appearance of a woman and or that is the main reason.


Cowboy ...if your claim that caring, loving, sweetness in a woman are the greatest aspect...then perhaps you should find those same qualities within yourself and refrain from telling them that flesh and lust is sinful

because this mean that you will never make any positive comment to your spouse about her appearance ...would that in itself not be crude?


There is more to complimenting a woman's appearance outside of her being sexy. She could be gorgeous, beautiful, pretty, absolutely gorgeous, angelic, ect. Why must complimenting a woman on her appearance have to do anything with sex and or her sexual appearance?


Because if you're gonna be in a relationship with a girl where sex is gonna be involved at some point, she is gonna wanna feel desirable and attractive to whomever she's with.

That's not to say the emotional aspect doesn't have its' place within the relationship, as of course a good one needs that type of connection as a base, but if she doesn't feel attractive to you, wanted and desired, you're not gonna get much farther than a platonic relationship I'm afraid. You need a bit of both emotional and physical aspects for a relationship to work. Having one or the other isn't gonna be enough. There has to be a balance.


Yes there is, I'll agree with that. But why is it only "sexiness" that qualifies for this? Why can't one be turned on by feeling absolutely beautiful? What's wrong with making her feel like a diamond in a bucket of coal? Bucket of coal would of course be the appearance of other women in comparison to her absolute beauty eg., the diamond. Making her feel like one of a kind. Why does it have to be such a "lustful" attraction eg., sexy?

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Tue 05/10/11 07:27 PM
Cowboy have you ever had sex with a woman?

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Tue 05/10/11 07:30 PM

To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.




It is beautiful, no one ever said it wasn't. There is a difference between "beautiful" and "sexy". The flesh itself isn't sinful, it only has sinful desires eg., sex with any "sexy" person. Yes I realize people have control over this and don't sleep with anyone and everyone just because they think they are "sexy". Notice the word itself, the root, "sex"y. That implies you would have sex with that person and or would have sex with someone with his/her appearance. So then what would make the person you are with feel special? Why would it be a special thing between the two if the only reason and or the main reason you're sleeping with her is because you think she's "sexy"? Where did the compassion and romance go? Why are they not the main reason? Why is it purely a "physical" thing? Why is it not "emotional"? Cause if you're sleeping with this or that person mainly cause you think they are "Sexy", then again why does it make it special? I'm sure many people think she's "sexy" why would she not just sleep with someone other then you?

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Tue 05/10/11 07:31 PM

Cowboy have you ever had sex with a woman?


That question is irrelevant, quite personal, and none of your business.

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Tue 05/10/11 07:32 PM


Cowboy have you ever had sex with a woman?


That question is irrelevant, quite personal, and none of your business.


I know its none of my business, but you seem to be casting yourself as an expert on the subject so that's why I asked. Experience is the best teacher.

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Tue 05/10/11 07:35 PM


To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.




It is beautiful, no one ever said it wasn't. There is a difference between "beautiful" and "sexy". The flesh itself isn't sinful, it only has sinful desires eg., sex with any "sexy" person. Yes I realize people have control over this and don't sleep with anyone and everyone just because they think they are "sexy". Notice the word itself, the root, "sex"y. That implies you would have sex with that person and or would have sex with someone with his/her appearance. So then what would make the person you are with feel special? Why would it be a special thing between the two if the only reason and or the main reason you're sleeping with her is because you think she's "sexy"? Where did the compassion and romance go? Why are they not the main reason? Why is it purely a "physical" thing? Why is it not "emotional"? Cause if you're sleeping with this or that person mainly cause you think they are "Sexy", then again why does it make it special? I'm sure many people think she's "sexy" why would she not just sleep with someone other then you?


Because if you had ever had sex with someone you liked you would know that "sexy" is not purly physical. 90% of "sexy" is in the mind.


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Tue 05/10/11 07:42 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 05/10/11 07:43 PM



To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.




It is beautiful, no one ever said it wasn't. There is a difference between "beautiful" and "sexy". The flesh itself isn't sinful, it only has sinful desires eg., sex with any "sexy" person. Yes I realize people have control over this and don't sleep with anyone and everyone just because they think they are "sexy". Notice the word itself, the root, "sex"y. That implies you would have sex with that person and or would have sex with someone with his/her appearance. So then what would make the person you are with feel special? Why would it be a special thing between the two if the only reason and or the main reason you're sleeping with her is because you think she's "sexy"? Where did the compassion and romance go? Why are they not the main reason? Why is it purely a "physical" thing? Why is it not "emotional"? Cause if you're sleeping with this or that person mainly cause you think they are "Sexy", then again why does it make it special? I'm sure many people think she's "sexy" why would she not just sleep with someone other then you?


Because if you had ever had sex with someone you liked you would know that "sexy" is not purly physical. 90% of "sexy" is in the mind.




But it is initiated by the appearance. Everything is in the mind, beauty, sexy, gorgeous, ect. All things that area "opinionated" are in the mind. Sexy, beauty, pretty, ect are all "opinions". One person may think this person is any of those but someone else may not.

For example:
Sexy -
Person A, think a very short skirt and an apparent thong is sexy.
Person B, thinks a very short skirt and an apparent thong is trashy.

The examples go on and on, I'm sure this will give a good briefing of the two.

Good looking/beautiful/sexy.
Person A thinks a short skirt, an apparent thong, a short shirt, and boots is sexy, they think this person is absolutely beautiful in her sexiness.
Person B Thinks a short skirt, an apparent thong, a short shirt, and boots is absolutely trashy and disgusting. This person would much rather a woman either in a long beautiful dress, or a decent length skirt wearing a shirt that covers her, but still shows her curves and her physical beauty.

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Tue 05/10/11 07:49 PM
That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.


Kleisto's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:52 PM

That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.




Right, are you gonna argue the mind is sinful too then Cowboy?

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Tue 05/10/11 07:52 PM
I think my dog finds me sexy lately. She has been looking at me oddly lately! lol

Kleisto's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:55 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Tue 05/10/11 07:56 PM



To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.




It is beautiful, no one ever said it wasn't. There is a difference between "beautiful" and "sexy". The flesh itself isn't sinful, it only has sinful desires eg., sex with any "sexy" person. Yes I realize people have control over this and don't sleep with anyone and everyone just because they think they are "sexy". Notice the word itself, the root, "sex"y. That implies you would have sex with that person and or would have sex with someone with his/her appearance. So then what would make the person you are with feel special? Why would it be a special thing between the two if the only reason and or the main reason you're sleeping with her is because you think she's "sexy"? Where did the compassion and romance go? Why are they not the main reason? Why is it purely a "physical" thing? Why is it not "emotional"? Cause if you're sleeping with this or that person mainly cause you think they are "Sexy", then again why does it make it special? I'm sure many people think she's "sexy" why would she not just sleep with someone other then you?


Because if you had ever had sex with someone you liked you would know that "sexy" is not purly physical. 90% of "sexy" is in the mind.




Further than that, sex itself when used in the proper context, is far more than just about the flesh. It goes much much deeper. You're looking at it from strictly a physical aspect. While people CAN use it for that alone, when used as it was meant to be, it's both emotional and physical. A connection of mind, body, and soul in one act.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:55 PM

That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.




Yes very true. Wasn't meaning just the physical appearance to be the differences between, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, pretty, ect. Was meaning you're entire aspect on the person. If you meet a person and think they are any of those or any other in that particular area. If you think someone's humor is sexy, that is still projecting that you either want to be with that person sexually, would want to be, might think about it, ect ect. Anything associated to the word "sexy" weither it's their personality, humor, appearance, ect, it's all revolving around wanting to have a sexual relationship with them or would think about it if the rest of this person's aspects are in the "sexy" area. They are associated with the action of sex in some way or other. That therefor is again lusting after that person, that person's humor, ect. Why must it be "sexy" to be attractive? Why can't it be your spouses humor, beauty, how he/she treats you like a queen/king that turns you on emotionally cause he/she makes you feel special? Why must it be a "sexual" thing?

Kleisto's photo
Tue 05/10/11 07:57 PM


That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.




Yes very true. Wasn't meaning just the physical appearance to be the differences between, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, pretty, ect. Was meaning you're entire aspect on the person. If you meet a person and think they are any of those or any other in that particular area. If you think someone's humor is sexy, that is still projecting that you either want to be with that person sexually, would want to be, might think about it, ect ect. Anything associated to the word "sexy" weither it's their personality, humor, appearance, ect, it's all revolving around wanting to have a sexual relationship with them or would think about it if the rest of this person's aspects are in the "sexy" area. They are associated with the action of sex in some way or other. That therefor is again lusting after that person, that person's humor, ect. Why must it be "sexy" to be attractive? Why can't it be your spouses humor, beauty, how he/she treats you like a queen/king that turns you on emotionally cause he/she makes you feel special? Why must it be a "sexual" thing?


Why can't it be both Cowboy?

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Tue 05/10/11 08:00 PM


That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.




Right, are you gonna argue the mind is sinful too then Cowboy?


Well lol, for one I'm not arguing. We're discussing our different beliefs. I have mine, someone else has theirs. No one's trying to change the other's, no one's trying to trump the other *at least I'm not lol*. We're "discussing"......... sharing our beliefs. There is no sense in "arguing" with anyone on their beliefs, the only one that can or will change someone's beliefs are themselves, so in point it would be absolutely pointless to "argue" beliefs in the spirituality.

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Tue 05/10/11 08:00 PM
Also, how do you propose we can create new life through the sexual act, if there's no sexual attractions to begin with? How is one to get to such a point without that?

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Tue 05/10/11 08:02 PM


That's exactly it. It is all in your mind. It is all your opinion. One person may think a woman who smells like perfume is sexy and another may think a woman who smells like soap is sexy.

But mostly it has to do with chemistry between two people, not how they actually look. I have met men who were perfectly handsome in every way but they were not the least bit sexy to me. But what turns people on is mostly in their mind, not in their body at all.




Yes very true. Wasn't meaning just the physical appearance to be the differences between, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, pretty, ect. Was meaning you're entire aspect on the person. If you meet a person and think they are any of those or any other in that particular area. If you think someone's humor is sexy, that is still projecting that you either want to be with that person sexually, would want to be, might think about it, ect ect. Anything associated to the word "sexy" weither it's their personality, humor, appearance, ect, it's all revolving around wanting to have a sexual relationship with them or would think about it if the rest of this person's aspects are in the "sexy" area. They are associated with the action of sex in some way or other. That therefor is again lusting after that person, that person's humor, ect. Why must it be "sexy" to be attractive? Why can't it be your spouses humor, beauty, how he/she treats you like a queen/king that turns you on emotionally cause he/she makes you feel special? Why must it be a "sexual" thing?


That's a good question. If you are going to spend your entire life with the same person, you better LIKE THEM for who they are.

One day you will both be old and there will be none or very little sex left and if you don't like the person you are with, you will be miserable.

People who are attracted and drawn together because of sexual chemistry alone, but they don't have the same values... will end up hating each other. Then the sexual attraction will go out the window.


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Tue 05/10/11 08:02 PM




To be honest, a man who thinks lust and the flesh is sinful would completely turn me off. I think the flesh is beautiful, the body is beautiful and lust is loads of fun.




It is beautiful, no one ever said it wasn't. There is a difference between "beautiful" and "sexy". The flesh itself isn't sinful, it only has sinful desires eg., sex with any "sexy" person. Yes I realize people have control over this and don't sleep with anyone and everyone just because they think they are "sexy". Notice the word itself, the root, "sex"y. That implies you would have sex with that person and or would have sex with someone with his/her appearance. So then what would make the person you are with feel special? Why would it be a special thing between the two if the only reason and or the main reason you're sleeping with her is because you think she's "sexy"? Where did the compassion and romance go? Why are they not the main reason? Why is it purely a "physical" thing? Why is it not "emotional"? Cause if you're sleeping with this or that person mainly cause you think they are "Sexy", then again why does it make it special? I'm sure many people think she's "sexy" why would she not just sleep with someone other then you?


Because if you had ever had sex with someone you liked you would know that "sexy" is not purly physical. 90% of "sexy" is in the mind.




Further than that, sex itself when used in the proper context, is far more than just about the flesh. It goes much much deeper. You're looking at it from strictly a physical aspect. While people CAN use it for that alone, when used as it was meant to be, it's both emotional and physical. A connection of mind, body, and soul in one act.


That would be making love my friend, animals have sex. And yes the "definition" of sex is that. But look around you, is sex entirely used for reproduction? Love making? Or just physical enjoyment a lot of the time?

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