Topic: World Wide Indian Heritage
HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 12:46 AM
On another site a native American tried a thread on uniting the tribes. I was just reading on the Assembly of First Nations in Canada. It has information on the North American Brotherhood. I was just wondering if the Indian population is worldwide.

iRon's photo
Mon 07/02/07 12:57 AM
Hmmmmmmmm We know they arrived over an ice bridge from russia to Alaska and then south from there. So I think they maybe desendents of the mongolians I think.

So my answer to your question is I don't have clue.

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:09 AM
I noticed the mention of the word 'aboriginies' that refer to Indians and the word 'native' does, too. On the web it refers to people from India as Indians. I would guess that not all aboriginies are natives and not all natives are aboriginies.

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Mon 07/02/07 01:17 AM
Hey there...I haven't looked it up, but thought aboriginal were the indeginous people to the area?

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:24 AM
After the failures of the League of Indians in Canada in the interwar period and the North American Indian Brotherhood in two decades following the Second World War, the Aboriginal peoples of Canada organized themselves once again in the early 1960s. The National Indian Council was created in 1961 to represent Indigenous people, including Treaty/Status Indians, non-status people, the Metis people, though not the Inuit.[1] This organisation, however, also collapsed in 1968 as the three groups failed to act as one, so the non-status and metis groups formed the Native Council of Canada and Treaty/Status groups formed the National Indian Brotherhood (NIB), an umbrella group for provincial and territorial First Nations organizations.

It would seem that native and aboriginal can be synomonous.

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:27 AM
The following year, the NIB launched its first major campaign in opposition to the 1969 White Paper, in which the Minister of Indian Affairs, the Hon. Jean Chrétien proposed the abolition of the Indian Act of Canada, the rejection of land claims, and the assimilation of First Nations people into the Canadian population with the status of other ethnic minorities rather than a distinct group. On June 3, 1970, the NIB presented the response by Harold Cardinal and the Indian Chiefs of Alberta (entitled "Citizens Plus" but commonly known as the "Red Paper") to the Federal Cabinet. Prime Minister Trudeau and the Liberals began to back away from the White paper, particularly after the Calder case decision in 1973.[2]

In 1972, the NIB's policy paper "Indian Control of Indian Education" was generally accepted by federal government and the NIB gained national recognition for the issue of Indigenous education in Canada. Undoubtedly, this was one of the last steps in ending the Canadian Residential School System long opposed by indigenous people, but also a first step in the push for Indigenous self-governance.[3][1]

The NIB gained consultative status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council in 1974, until such time as an international Indigenous organization could be formed. When the World Council of Indigenous People was formed on Nuu-chah-nulth territory the following year, it took the place of the NIB at the United Nations.

Wow, Indians have a place in the United Nations. I did not know that.

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:32 AM
The tribes are sometimes defined as nations so it does make sense that they should belong in the United Nations.

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Mon 07/02/07 01:37 AM
Cool! Thanks for all the infodrinker

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:42 AM
You are welcome.flowerforyou

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Mon 07/02/07 01:50 AM
I still can't get used to your name changelaugh laugh

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:52 AM
It is new to me, too.:smile:

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Mon 07/02/07 01:54 AM
laugh laugh laugh Ok rainbow....uuuuh....oops! Hilllaugh drinker

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 01:58 AM
Either is fine with me. I feel over the hill.laugh

NANCYM1957's photo
Mon 07/02/07 02:17 AM

I have 2 sons that are half Indian
there dad was full blooded. we all have a little in us.
Shanan, Blackfoot,Crow

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 06:52 AM
"...the real aim of [the Dawes Act] is to get at the Indians land and open it up for resettlement." - Senator Henry M. Teller, 1881

The United States Government has been trying unsuccessfully to register Native American Indians for over a hundred years. The infamous Dawes Act of 1887 was the first such effort on a large-scale. The purported aim of the Act was to protect Indian property rights during the Oklahoma Land Rush. By registering, Indians were told, they would be allotted 160 acres of land per family in advance of the Land Rush and thus be restituted for 100 years of genocide against them.

The purpose of the Dawes Act, ostensibly to protect Indian welfare, was viewed with suspicion by many Indians hurt by government's clumsy relocation efforts of the past. Indians who had refused to submit to previous relocations refused to register on the Dawes Rolls for fear that they would be caught and punished.

To get on the Dawes Rolls, Native Americans had to "anglicize" their names. Rolling Thunder thus became Ron Thomas and so forth. This bit of "melting pot" chicanery allowed agents of the government, sent to the frontier to administer the Act, to slip the names of their relatives and friends onto the Dawes Rolls and thus reap millions of acres of land for their friends and cronys.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs in 1954, therefore, initiated the ominous sounding "Termination and Relocation" phase of the Reorganization Act. Funding for the programs of the IRA of 1934 was abruptly cut off causing thousands of bankruptcies and painful dislocation among the tribes. In addition, this new law removed government recognition of 61 tribes leaving hundreds of thousands of Native Americans unqualified for government assistance. Whether this was an administrative convenience or a design to eliminate pesky tribal property claims, the net result was yet another arbitrary appropriation of property inflicted on Native Americans, many of whom are fighting in the courts to this day to get their rights back.
On February 20 President Clinton took a call on World News Tonight from a young Lumbee Indian girl who asked the President why she was still being denied her heritage. The President and Peter Jennings both looked dumbstruck. Both confessed to being unaware of the problem and the President promised to "look into it."

The Lumbee are a tribe of over 40,000 Indians located in North Carolina who were "erased" by the Termination and Relocation Act of 1954. "Sorry, the government says you no longer exist but, Have a Nice Day!"

The problems begin in the certification process. It's not enough that you were born to Indian parents. Nor is it enough for a Native American to trace his lineage back to the time of Christ. First of all, the applicant must be able to prove he was born in a tribe that is officially recognized by the U.S. Government. As I mentioned above, the 1954 Termination and Relocation Act of 1954 arbitrarily erased 61 tribes. Secondly, an applicant must prove he or she was born to officially recognized Indian parents. This also sounds simple enough, on the surface. The problem is that many Native Americans cannot obtain the necessary documents thanks to relocations going back to the early 1800s, the confusion created by the Dawes Act, the compounded confusion created by the Termination and Relocation Act, and the prevailing 3rd world conditions existing in the majority of tribal homelands.


HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 06:55 AM
The point is, many genuine Indian artists cannot obtain certification under the Act. Their ancestral tribes may have been disolved long ago. No authority remains by which they can obtain certification even if they wanted to. Thousands of Kickapoos, Potawatamis, Cheyennes, Sioux, Arapahoes, Blackfeet, Lumbees and others have been legislated out of artistic existance. Thousands of Indian families whose livelihoods depend on selling arts and crafts have just had those livelihoods arbitrarily confiscated, courtesy of the U.S. Government.
Indian artisans who defy the new law risk fines of up to $1,000,000, and up to 15 years in prison. Corporations or groups who defy the new regulations face up to $5,000,000 in fines.

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 06:56 AM
Public Law 101-644, the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, was passed on the hectic last day of the congressional session, a Saturday and signed by President Bush on November 29, 1990. The purpose of the law, in addition to attempting to rectify the mess created by 100 years of incompetant legislation, was to protect Native American craftsmen and women from the flood of counterfeit Native American arts & crafts from Taiwan and beyond.

This perfectly plausible objective was expanded beyond the realm of jewelry and other native crafts to include all art produced by those who are certifiably Indian. Under the 1990 Act, Indian Artisans may not use the words "Native American Artisan" to sell crafts they produce unless they are certified as genuine Indians by the Federal Government. The language of the 1990 Act defines an Indian as "any individual who is a member of an Indian tribe or is certified as an Indian artisan by an Indian tribe."

HillFolk's photo
Mon 07/02/07 07:06 AM
I have 3/16 Cherokee heritage and there is a lot of people with Indian heritage.