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msharmony
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1555214/the_pros_and_cons_of_capitalism_and.html?cat=17
truth be told, we can argue pros and cons of any government TYPE that we want, but the truth of it is simpler than that whatever type of government one has, it is run by HUMAN BEINGS, and human beings who are greedy, and corrupt, and lacking integrity will find a way to infiltrate any form of government people want to attempt it is not socialism or capitalism that divides and harms us, it is the PEOPLE and VALUES(or lack of) which make up the citizenry of the population and of those in control of the government it is a desire for humans to feel good about themselves and feel 'better' or 'more deserving' than others,,, that part of the human equation will always interrupt the intent of any type of government |
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You still have not posted any facts. You see what I posted has facts proving the reality of socialism and shows examples to back up the statements. You seem full of passion yet you lack the knowledge of what runs a well oiled business machine. You seem like a smart woman so why don't you just re read the post and do some research and come to the dark side .
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,,
for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm |
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Edited by
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It sucks because I live in Austin and I have been here since 1994. I have watched all the people from California move here and they are destroying our great city. It's like they are infected with a virus and they don't even know it. People never realize it till it's too late :( Well – all those NEW people might explain some of the increase in employment Austin seems to have been experiencing. http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/05/unspent-stimulus-billions-in-texas-causing-growing/1273087891.story Unspent stimulus billions in Texas causing growing unease And while the money isn't being spent the controversial matter of translating that spending into jobs becomes even murkier. Texas is reporting that stimulus spending has resulted in 43,481 jobs created or retained through March 31, according to Recovery.gov. However, 29,884 or almost 70 percent of those jobs were reported for a single ZIP code - 78701 - Austin. Four of the top five and five of the top 10 ZIP codes, almost 35,000 jobs' worth, were in Austin. Houston, by contrast, made the top 10 once, with 282 jobs.
Comptroller’s Economic Outlook http://www.texasahead.org/economy/outlook.html Updated October 4, 2010
According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the U.S. economy peaked in December 2007 and entered recession. The Texas economy continued to grow through most of 2008, with employment peaking in August that year, then Texas joined the nation in losing jobs. During 2009, Texas’ gross state product (GSP) declined more slowly than the U.S. economy (-1.4 percent versus -2.4 percent.) Of course the news from Texas is not all bad, after all, as the Comptroller’s outlook indicates, The Texas economy, the world’s 11th-largest, continues to fare better than those of many other states. However, it certainly is not number one on the chart (so to speak).
In fact, according to that same article: Jobs •Texas’ August 2010 unemployment rate was 8.3 percent, up from 8.2 percent in July. •Total nonfarm employment in Texas decreased by 34,200 jobs in August. Between August 2009 and August 2010, Texas gained 129,100 jobs. •The U.S. lost 54,000 nonfarm jobs from July to August 2010. Between August 2009 and August 2010, the U.S. economy gained 229,000 jobs. •The U.S. unemployment rate increased to 9.6 percent in August 2010, from 9.5 percent in July. •The Texas unemployment rate has been at or below the national rate for 44 consecutive months. Of course these figures may not be as apparent to people who live in Austin. It’s probably a good thing that the Texas unemployment insurance didn’t go bust, and that all those billions of dollars in Federal stimulus money (SOCIALISM) found its way into the Texas system. Next post – I’ll argue the OP. |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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smokescreens and us vs them politics aint it grand? Instead of just having blind criticism why don't you try debating the subject with facts. Or is a smokescreen of distraction,the only card you have to play? So in keeping with the last comment-- Regarding all those bureaucracies that the article seems to portray as 'liberal, democratic' institutions designed to undermine capitalism -- which would you propose should not be in existence and what is the reasoning behind that opinion? I agree with the OP which is obviously why I posted it in the first place. Not one of you who disagree has offered anything other than opinions as to why you disagree. Distraction once again. It wont work, you will have to give me a reason other than your feelings on the matter, as to why you disagree. OK – Since the whole OP is nothing but a rant with no substance greater than opinion, I suppose we can debate the inconsistency and conflict of opinion within the writing, as there was no central focus other than the conclusions of the OP that democrats are to blame for everything. FROM THE OP: But aren’t Democrats the party of “compassion” who want prosperity for everyone?
No, they are the party of economic decline and wealth redistribution from the middle class to the ultra-rich like the Kennedy family, John Kerry, Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, Larry Ellison and other leftists who support Obama, and who want to stay rich. Obama will assure that they remain rich, and that is why they favor him. It's all about the money. I can’t figure out what that has to do with democrats - Isn’t that capitalism at its best – isn’t it all about consumerism? Without consumerism capitalism is nothing and we could just as well barter for our necessities. In fact near the beginning of the rant, the OP says So socialism started it, then lengthened and deepened the depression. If the economy had been left alone, it would have righted itself and the depression never would have happened.
So much for socialism. Socialists claim that capitalism is unfair and exploitative, while capitalism says that socialism taxes people unfairly and favors the transfer of wealth from productive people to unproductive ones, i.e., that socialism is unfair and exploitative. So now, what does the OP want all those wealthy people to do with their money – S/He certainly doesn’t expect a ‘redistribution of that wealth’ that would be socialism – one of the things the OP hates. The OP again: Why are these states failing?
Because they are becoming more and more dominated by Democrat politicians and Democrat/environmentalist ideas. In Michigan, the radical auto workers’ union in many cases drove the car companies out of town with confrontational tactics and unrealistic wage demands, and we can see this is still happening today. Ten years from now, the American auto industry will be hanging by a thread because it was threatened by the unions (or rather by organized crime, which ran the unions and which is an arm of the Democrat party) in the good times, and now is committed to paying unsustainable pay, benefit and retirement packages. This is why more and more American workers, particularly in the South, are rejecting unions. Because unions oppose the interests of working people in favor of union bosses and organized crime. They destroy jobs by the millions and wealth by the trillions. Is the OP suggesting that Democrats are responsible for all the unions that still exist in this country? From The OP : Socialism encourages the wrong kind of “passive” people to succeed (welfare recipients, lazy government workers, overpaid public school teachers, corrupt urban political functionaries, slothful college professors who work 6 months a year etc.) and thus encourages entropy. “Government workers”, let’s look at that picture and see if we can pin-point all those lazy government workers from those socialistic bureaucracies. http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/governments/cb10-132.html Census Bureau Reports State and Local Government Employment Remains at 16.6 Million The nation's 89,526 state and local governments employed 16.6 million full-time equivalent employees in 2009, statistically unchanged from 2008, according to government employment data released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Part-time employees numbered 4.7 million, not statistically different from 2008.
Local governments accounted for 12.2 million full-time equivalent employees, and state governments had 4.4 million. (Local governments include counties, cities, townships, special districts and school districts.) Most full-time equivalent state and local employees worked in education (8.9 million), hospitals (1.0 million), police protection (963,139) and corrections (759,513). Education included employment in elementary and secondary education, employment in higher education, and employment in support of special programs primarily for adult, vocational or special education that operate outside school systems. (See table 1. Excel) Just a small chunk – let’s say, from Texas. Governmental full-time employees 265,310 earning $1,116,474,608
Part-time employees 82,291 earning $109,059,295 Government Function Financial Administration Judicial and Legal Police Protection Total Police Officers Only Other Police Employees Fire Protection Total Corrections Highways Air Transportation Water Transport and Terminals Public Welfare Health Hospitals Social Insurance Administration Solid Waste Management Sewerage Parks and Recreation Housing and Community Development Natural Resources Water Supply Electric Power Gas Supply Transit Education Total Elementary & Secondary Education Total Elem & Sec Instructional Employees Elem & Sec Other Employees Higher Education Total Higher Ed Instructional Employees Higher Ed Other Employees Other Education Libraries State Liquor Stores That’s a heck of a lot of tax dollars for all these SOCIAL programs – perhaps we should make Education a capitalistic venture – of course then we would have to change the Constitution because education could not be considered a necessity consistent with human rights. Let’s see what an average elementary school teacher earns for being part of the bureaucracy. National Center for Education Statistics (Average) public school teachers' salary: 2008-9 Elementary & Secondary teachers: $53,910 Using the constant dollars from the consumer price index that’s not a whole lot more than what teachers were paid in 1959-60 when their (average) salary in today’s dollars would have been about $35,989. SOURCE: National Education Association, Estimates of School Statistics, 1959-60 through 2008-09; and unpublished tabulations. U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis, National Income and Product Accounts, tables 6.6B-D, retrieved August 25, 2009, from http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/SelectTable.asp. (This table was prepared August 2009.) According to: The 2009 Poverty Guidelines for the 48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09fedreg.shtml Family of 4 = $22,050 So if the average elementary teacher is a single mother of three, she’s taking home almost $16,800 more than poverty level. On second thought, it doesn’t sound like such an excessive amount, but then it is a ‘socialistic’ ideal!! Most people don’t stop to consider what all the bureaucracy really is and how necessary it is to our lifestyles. The writer of the OP can have their opinion – whatever, it’s supposed to be. Perhaps if you’d like to restate what you think the opinion is and what ‘facts’ make you agree with that opinion, I could concentrate the discussion on a more central focus. |
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obviously written by a capitalist.... 
housing, education, healthcare, food are rights NOT priviledges Yes right's that people have the ability to provide for themselves. It's not anyone's responsibility to care for those who don't want to work. Even if you were a cave man you would still have to work or die! It's the natural way and it's healthier for people to work instead of sitting on they're butt all day. Well, to be totally self-sufficient you would have to be a cave man. Not even the Amish smelt their own metal these days, and some things, like 'sugar' are just not that available in the fields of the U.S.A. - and the capitalists of our modern society have lost touch with having to 'barter' goods for goods when all those goods are not produces by our own hands or even in our own country. The point is, that as society advances technologically, we become more dependent on our social structures - in fact most of those social structures were created by governments so we could get out of the fields. The more populated a land mass becomes, the more necessary it is to bring recources in. Even if we wanted to build a great wall aroung the entire continental USA, we no longer have sufficient resouces to support the population within those walls. We are not self-sufficient and our social structures are in place to bridge the gap that is created in the process of capitalism. |
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You still have not posted any facts. You see what I posted has facts proving the reality of socialism and shows examples to back up the statements. You seem full of passion yet you lack the knowledge of what runs a well oiled business machine. You seem like a smart woman so why don't you just re read the post and do some research and come to the dark side . You have stated no facts what-so-ever, yet you demand them of others? What facts do YOU have that can demonstrate that any "socialism" is even close to what is or has happened in the United States? There is no socialism here - I see social structures in place that are fully consistent with capitalistic ideals, show me where that's not the case. Show me your facts for there are none in the OP. |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! |
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There is a big difference between reading to EDUCATE yourself and reading propaganda.
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It sucks because I live in Austin and I have been here since 1994. I have watched all the people from California move here and they are destroying our great city. It's like they are infected with a virus and they don't even know it. People never realize it till it's too late :( Well – all those NEW people might explain some of the increase in employment Austin seems to have been experiencing. http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/05/unspent-stimulus-billions-in-texas-causing-growing/1273087891.story Unspent stimulus billions in Texas causing growing unease And while the money isn't being spent the controversial matter of translating that spending into jobs becomes even murkier. Texas is reporting that stimulus spending has resulted in 43,481 jobs created or retained through March 31, according to Recovery.gov. However, 29,884 or almost 70 percent of those jobs were reported for a single ZIP code - 78701 - Austin. Four of the top five and five of the top 10 ZIP codes, almost 35,000 jobs' worth, were in Austin. Houston, by contrast, made the top 10 once, with 282 jobs.
Comptroller’s Economic Outlook http://www.texasahead.org/economy/outlook.html Updated October 4, 2010
According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the U.S. economy peaked in December 2007 and entered recession. The Texas economy continued to grow through most of 2008, with employment peaking in August that year, then Texas joined the nation in losing jobs. During 2009, Texas’ gross state product (GSP) declined more slowly than the U.S. economy (-1.4 percent versus -2.4 percent.) Of course the news from Texas is not all bad, after all, as the Comptroller’s outlook indicates, The Texas economy, the world’s 11th-largest, continues to fare better than those of many other states. However, it certainly is not number one on the chart (so to speak).
In fact, according to that same article: Jobs •Texas’ August 2010 unemployment rate was 8.3 percent, up from 8.2 percent in July. •Total nonfarm employment in Texas decreased by 34,200 jobs in August. Between August 2009 and August 2010, Texas gained 129,100 jobs. •The U.S. lost 54,000 nonfarm jobs from July to August 2010. Between August 2009 and August 2010, the U.S. economy gained 229,000 jobs. •The U.S. unemployment rate increased to 9.6 percent in August 2010, from 9.5 percent in July. •The Texas unemployment rate has been at or below the national rate for 44 consecutive months. Of course these figures may not be as apparent to people who live in Austin. It’s probably a good thing that the Texas unemployment insurance didn’t go bust, and that all those billions of dollars in Federal stimulus money (SOCIALISM) found its way into the Texas system. Next post – I’ll argue the OP. Please don't try to take credit for Texas. Why do you think they all moved here? Did you think they all moved from sunny California for lake Travis? No maybe it was 6th street. 
They came here because Texas is THRIVING and why are we THRIVING? BECAUSE WE ARE A CONSERVATIVE STATE!!!!! How can you be soooo blind?? They are moving from an economy that LIBERAL (socialist ideals) RUINED!!!! And now they are coming here and they will ruin Texas too! Just wait! It has happened in other areas just ****ing read the damn post!!!! He proves that liberal ideals and policy's KILL THRIVING ECONOMY'S!!!!!! How did you miss that? Honestly!!!! WTF you people don't even read the friggen post! Its a PROVEN FACT THAT ALL OF THE LIBERAL CITIES ARE FAILING AND ALL THE PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO CONSERVATIVE CITY'S THAT ARE BOOMING!!! |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! 
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm LOL All of those markets have done quite well for themselves. LOL I bet you didn't know that your lovely democratic president is the one who made those companies have free reign to do what they wanted. The companies you speak of are only allowed to steal because of Clinton. Yes, things have gotten out of control but you don't abandon a working system just because it has a few problems and because one democrat tried to sabotage it. You correct the issues and move forward REFINING the idea . Any human drawn to a position of power like that is going to have to be kept in check. in a sense keeping a lion in it's cage. That's what laws are for 
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It sucks because I live in Austin and I have been here since 1994. I have watched all the people from California move here and they are destroying our great city. It's like they are infected with a virus and they don't even know it. People never realize it till it's too late :( Well – all those NEW people might explain some of the increase in employment Austin seems to have been experiencing. http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/05/unspent-stimulus-billions-in-texas-causing-growing/1273087891.story Unspent stimulus billions in Texas causing growing unease And while the money isn't being spent the controversial matter of translating that spending into jobs becomes even murkier. Texas is reporting that stimulus spending has resulted in 43,481 jobs created or retained through March 31, according to Recovery.gov. However, 29,884 or almost 70 percent of those jobs were reported for a single ZIP code - 78701 - Austin. Four of the top five and five of the top 10 ZIP codes, almost 35,000 jobs' worth, were in Austin. Houston, by contrast, made the top 10 once, with 282 jobs.
Comptroller’s Economic Outlook http://www.texasahead.org/economy/outlook.html Updated October 4, 2010
According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the U.S. economy peaked in December 2007 and entered recession. The Texas economy continued to grow through most of 2008, with employment peaking in August that year, then Texas joined the nation in losing jobs. During 2009, Texas’ gross state product (GSP) declined more slowly than the U.S. economy (-1.4 percent versus -2.4 percent.) Of course the news from Texas is not all bad, after all, as the Comptroller’s outlook indicates, The Texas economy, the world’s 11th-largest, continues to fare better than those of many other states. However, it certainly is not number one on the chart (so to speak).
In fact, according to that same article: Jobs •Texas’ August 2010 unemployment rate was 8.3 percent, up from 8.2 percent in July. •Total nonfarm employment in Texas decreased by 34,200 jobs in August. Between August 2009 and August 2010, Texas gained 129,100 jobs. •The U.S. lost 54,000 nonfarm jobs from July to August 2010. Between August 2009 and August 2010, the U.S. economy gained 229,000 jobs. •The U.S. unemployment rate increased to 9.6 percent in August 2010, from 9.5 percent in July. •The Texas unemployment rate has been at or below the national rate for 44 consecutive months. Of course these figures may not be as apparent to people who live in Austin. It’s probably a good thing that the Texas unemployment insurance didn’t go bust, and that all those billions of dollars in Federal stimulus money (SOCIALISM) found its way into the Texas system. Next post – I’ll argue the OP. Please don't try to take credit for Texas. Why do you think they all moved here? Did you think they all moved from sunny California for lake Travis? No maybe it was 6th street.
They came here because Texas is THRIVING and why are we THRIVING? BECAUSE WE ARE A CONSERVATIVE STATE!!!!! How can you be soooo blind?? They are moving from an economy that LIBERAL (socialist ideals) RUINED!!!! And now they are coming here and they will ruin Texas too! Just wait! It has happened in other areas just ****ing read the damn post!!!! He proves that liberal ideals and policy's KILL THRIVING ECONOMY'S!!!!!! How did you miss that? Honestly!!!! WTF you people don't even read the friggen post! Its a PROVEN FACT THAT ALL OF THE LIBERAL CITIES ARE FAILING AND ALL THE PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO CONSERVATIVE CITY'S THAT ARE BOOMING!!! 'proven' by whom ? (hint: very very few statements which include ALL or NONE have been proven) http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5768400/top_three_most_liberal_cities_in_america_pg2.html?cat=9 |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm LOL All of those markets have done quite well for themselves. LOL I bet you didn't know that your lovely democratic president is the one who made those companies have free reign to do what they wanted. The companies you speak of are only allowed to steal because of Clinton. Yes, things have gotten out of control but you don't abandon a working system just because it has a few problems and because one democrat tried to sabotage it. You correct the issues and move forward REFINING the idea . Any human drawn to a position of power like that is going to have to be kept in check. in a sense keeping a lion in it's cage. That's what laws are for
wow , COMPREHENSION.... what I posted is look at those who have done well for themself,,, and no, the US PRESIDENT didnt single handedly hand over a silver spoon to ALL THOSE INDUSTRIES and no, CLINTON didnt single handedly inject greed and corruption and the acceptance of greed and corruption into any of those industries we can agree things have gotten out of control, we just disagree about why, its no single system or person with all the answers its a matter of americans working together to improve AMERICA and not just their personal little corner,,, |
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obviously written by a capitalist....
housing, education, healthcare, food are rights NOT priviledges Yes right's that people have the ability to provide for themselves. It's not anyone's responsibility to care for those who don't want to work. Even if you were a cave man you would still have to work or die! It's the natural way and it's healthier for people to work instead of sitting on they're butt all day. Well, to be totally self-sufficient you would have to be a cave man. Not even the Amish smelt their own metal these days, and some things, like 'sugar' are just not that available in the fields of the U.S.A. - and the capitalists of our modern society have lost touch with having to 'barter' goods for goods when all those goods are not produces by our own hands or even in our own country. The point is, that as society advances technologically, we become more dependent on our social structures - in fact most of those social structures were created by governments so we could get out of the fields. The more populated a land mass becomes, the more necessary it is to bring recources in. Even if we wanted to build a great wall aroung the entire continental USA, we no longer have sufficient resouces to support the population within those walls. We are not self-sufficient and our social structures are in place to bridge the gap that is created in the process of capitalism. LOL Honestly? That's your response? Maybe if those lazy people would get off they're lazy ***'s they wouldn't have to worry about being cave men and smelting they're metal now would they?? We have had the technology to be completely self sufficient for a VERY long time.
Conservative approach: Give a person a person a fish they eat for a day teach them to fish they eat for a lifetime, or starve and die because they are to stupid to fend for themselves. In which case they are weak and should be left to die so they do not infect our gene pool with they're weak and un natural genetics.
Liberal approach: Feed the person fish because the poor soul deserves to eat. We all deserve food! Then after the person meets a woman and they have a child and they still wont work. The liberals approach. Feed the family! Build them a house and give them a car and a cell phone and free health care ! And then what happens, the people sit back enjoying the good life, never working soaking up community resources while breeding kids with no respect or morals and no work ethic and then they rob and steal and what do the libs do? BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR MAKING EVERYONE POOR!!!! THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO WORK THEY LIKE BEING POOR AS LONG AS IT MEANS THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BUT ENJOY A FREE HANDOUT AND KEEP LIVING IT UP! The kids watch the parents do it and then the kids breed ans they're kids do it too because NONE OF THEM KNOW HOW TO WORK ANYMORE! You people are ruining people by enabling them instead of helping them! |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! oh, I read it (especially nice are the little references to 'race') and I still have enough reading comprehension to recognize facts from opinions,,, |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm LOL All of those markets have done quite well for themselves. LOL I bet you didn't know that your lovely democratic president is the one who made those companies have free reign to do what they wanted. The companies you speak of are only allowed to steal because of Clinton. Yes, things have gotten out of control but you don't abandon a working system just because it has a few problems and because one democrat tried to sabotage it. You correct the issues and move forward REFINING the idea . Any human drawn to a position of power like that is going to have to be kept in check. in a sense keeping a lion in it's cage. That's what laws are for
wow , COMPREHENSION.... what I posted is look at those who have done well for themself,,, and no, the US PRESIDENT didnt single handedly hand over a silver spoon to ALL THOSE INDUSTRIES and no, CLINTON didnt single handedly inject greed and corruption and the acceptance of greed and corruption into any of those industries we can agree things have gotten out of control, we just disagree about why, its no single system or person with all the answers its a matter of americans working together to improve AMERICA and not just their personal little corner,,, I just told you greed is a NATURAL part of the personality of people attracted to power what Clinton did was allow them to ACT on that greed!! You didn't know that did you? Oh and yes it's true all of the liberal cities are declining, and they are all moving to the south (conservative cities). If you read the post you would know the exact reason why they are failing too. He states each reason word for word. I am guess if you did read the post you just don't want to admit that part. You know it takes a lot of guts to look at the facts and admit you are wrong. If you cant see that then maybe you should stay off this topic. It's annoying to me to have to clarify things and debate things with you that are actually proven facts . You cannot deny that liberal cities are dying, you cant deny that liberal environmentalism has killed millions of jobs and sunk entire states. Try to tell that to all of the family's that cant pay they're bills because now they're dad cant go drill for oil anymore. You just don't get it do you? It's annoying that your blind arrogance and ignorance actually effect so many people that you claim to care about. |
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In what world did socialism ever work? Too costly and too many societal control tactics.......
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! oh, I read it (especially nice are the little references to 'race') and I still have enough reading comprehension to recognize facts from opinions,,, LOL OOOH THE RACE CARD WHAT A SURPRISE!!! A black woman is the first one to pull the race card!! LMAO!!! Let me let you in on a little secret. I grew up in the ghetto in girls homes with nothing but black women. BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE MOST RACIST PEOPLE ON THE ****ING PLANET. As you just PROVED , you guys are the first one's to pull the ****ing race card. Get over yourself I have no patience for that pathetic argument. That **** makes me so angry I could spit! You people get EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU! You were NOT a slave so you will get NO pity from me! Especial when YOU get more help to make it in this country than I DO!!!!! |
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