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Well ...
as soon as we find a way to travel faster than light speed without destroying what we are transporting ... or a wormhole and a way to teleport organisms through it and back again ... I'll consider extraterrestial visitations possible. until then ... its mostly dellusion, illusion and hysteria pulled out of a hat. psychosis is a seperate problem |
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Well ... as soon as we find a way to travel faster than light speed without destroying what we are transporting ... or a wormhole and a way to teleport organisms through it and back again ... I'll consider extraterrestial visitations possible. until then ... its mostly dellusion, illusion and hysteria pulled out of a hat. psychosis is a seperate problem 
I guess I wont be seeing Thorb at any of my parties. Thorb, it doesn't matter if humans haven't discovered a means for interstellar travel. The concept of alien visitation refers to aliens visiting Earth, not the other way around. Where do you think you are, Planet 51? 
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Well, I'd like to think that a society advanced far enough to travel across vast regions of space would also be advanced enough medically to be able to use "tri-corder" type technology. I mean we are advanced enough to use MRIs, Xrays, and CAT scans, not very invasive and tell us a lot. So if we, a backwards planet bound civilization, have advances in technology that tell us about the inner workings of organic bodies, it makes no sense to assume that "visitors" wouldn't also be advanced beyond our capabilities in this area as well. So once again, it seems very unlikely that these types of invasive techniques would be necessary. It would seem more likely that these abductees got liquored up and buggered by a bear. Dude, "tricorder type technology" is something entirely construed within the realm of science fiction. Not saying it isn't possible, but I will point out that virtually everyone's image of what an alien race should look like and how they should behave is some model of human sci-fi (which is nothing more than earth's interpretation of outer space, very little of which, at our current level of technology, is put into actual practice). Maybe there is some aspect of anal probing that simply produces more information. Or, maybe aliens are by nature even more sadistic than human beings with a sense of detachment comparable to human beings who damage the brain stems of monkeys in order to study how it affects their REM states. Maybe it's nothing to do with efficient methods of gaining information, maybe it's entirely to do with cruel torture. I don't dismiss that many of these stories may indeed be utter fabrications dreamed up by intoxicated rednecks---in that I still cannot bring myself to believe that all of them are---the point is, we cannot possibly have all the information, therefore how can we possibly judge how a superior race "should" behave under specific circumstances? Not unlike the monkeys trying to make sense of why we chop their brain stems. Your theory has several holes in it. Let's look at the monkey analogy. First off, we keep those monkeys for several months/years. After which, we dissect them so that we can have complete analysis. Not only do we go to such lengths, but usually the scientists doing so have upwards of a dozen subjects which they are monitoring. Second, I can understand the concept of aliens torturing human subjects just to test the depths of their abilities to withstand the torture. We've done that ourselves, I believe Dr. Mengele was famous for this. However, once again the to truly understand how much torture a human can take, it must end in his death. To think of the raw amounts of "subjects" that Mengele went through is horrifying, so once again, alien scientists would need more than a couple of subjects for a few hours. I'm not assuming that an alien race would be more "humane" than we humans at all, quite frankly our own version of our humanity is kind of idealistic to begin with, we really are just animals. Third, I don't think you have a concept of how big space really is, let alone the amounts of energy required to move between star systems. At 99% of light speed it would take 8 1/2 years to reach the nearest star (round trip). This would require about the same amount of energy as our sun puts off over the course of a century. All that energy used, and odds are, there are no planets circling that star. The nearest star that we are 100% sure has a planet orbiting it (not even inhabitable, just orbiting) is approximately 26 light years away, requiring a 50+ year mission. These are broad amounts of energy and research required to pull off a short subject test. Basically the equivalent to building a nuclear reactor to see if a ten watt bulb has burnt out. Now, assuming that their society had to evolve to a stage to do this kind of travel, it is safe to assume that these "alien scientists" had to unravel the secrets of the universe that are required to do so. We, as a culture are also attempting to do this same thing, however, we don't devote near as much of our scientific research into finding these solutions as we do to finding out about the physiology of all known beings (plant and animal life). Ergo, it is reasonable to assume that other life forces in the universe would also want to find an understanding of such things as well. More than likely, as with humans, an understanding of how to preserve their own lives would take precedent over space travel. Much like we consider eating (preserving our own lives) more important than vacations (travel). So, to assume that alien life would have medical/scientific hardware much more elaborate and useful than we humans is not out of the realm of possibility. It actually seems quite reasonable. It would also seem to be a logical extension that whatever technology an alien being - that has the ability to travel across vast distances of space - would almost seem like it was straight out of science fiction. It might even seem miraculous or magical to our undeveloped science. |
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I think they believe it was an alien abduction.
I just don't see a species that is as advanced as it would take for them to get here from somewhere else in the universe being that unintelligent acting. With the technology that they would have to have, we shouldn't even be able to detect them at all. Whatever they want from here they could take without us even being any the wiser. |
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Advanced technology and noble behavior do not always go together. During the 1600s Europeans used their technology to enslave natives of western Africa. Now that was a form of alien abduction.
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Well ... as soon as we find a way to travel faster than light speed without destroying what we are transporting ... or a wormhole and a way to teleport organisms through it and back again ... I'll consider extraterrestial visitations possible. until then ... its mostly dellusion, illusion and hysteria pulled out of a hat. psychosis is a seperate problem Trust me, it is possible. That we haven't achieved it merely indicates the limitations of our level of science. As humans, we like to think we have all the answers, but in truth, there is so much that is possible that we cannot conceive at our current level. Einstein said that while it would be impossible to break the laws that govern the light barrier, they can be bent. We just require time and patience (and perhaps another century or two of development) to find ways to circumvent those laws. Don't dismiss it merely because it has not been done. |
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Well, I'd like to think that a society advanced far enough to travel across vast regions of space would also be advanced enough medically to be able to use "tri-corder" type technology. I mean we are advanced enough to use MRIs, Xrays, and CAT scans, not very invasive and tell us a lot. So if we, a backwards planet bound civilization, have advances in technology that tell us about the inner workings of organic bodies, it makes no sense to assume that "visitors" wouldn't also be advanced beyond our capabilities in this area as well. So once again, it seems very unlikely that these types of invasive techniques would be necessary. It would seem more likely that these abductees got liquored up and buggered by a bear. Dude, "tricorder type technology" is something entirely construed within the realm of science fiction. Not saying it isn't possible, but I will point out that virtually everyone's image of what an alien race should look like and how they should behave is some model of human sci-fi (which is nothing more than earth's interpretation of outer space, very little of which, at our current level of technology, is put into actual practice). Maybe there is some aspect of anal probing that simply produces more information. Or, maybe aliens are by nature even more sadistic than human beings with a sense of detachment comparable to human beings who damage the brain stems of monkeys in order to study how it affects their REM states. Maybe it's nothing to do with efficient methods of gaining information, maybe it's entirely to do with cruel torture. I don't dismiss that many of these stories may indeed be utter fabrications dreamed up by intoxicated rednecks---in that I still cannot bring myself to believe that all of them are---the point is, we cannot possibly have all the information, therefore how can we possibly judge how a superior race "should" behave under specific circumstances? Not unlike the monkeys trying to make sense of why we chop their brain stems. Your theory has several holes in it. Let's look at the monkey analogy. First off, we keep those monkeys for several months/years. After which, we dissect them so that we can have complete analysis. Not only do we go to such lengths, but usually the scientists doing so have upwards of a dozen subjects which they are monitoring. Second, I can understand the concept of aliens torturing human subjects just to test the depths of their abilities to withstand the torture. We've done that ourselves, I believe Dr. Mengele was famous for this. However, once again the to truly understand how much torture a human can take, it must end in his death. To think of the raw amounts of "subjects" that Mengele went through is horrifying, so once again, alien scientists would need more than a couple of subjects for a few hours. I'm not assuming that an alien race would be more "humane" than we humans at all, quite frankly our own version of our humanity is kind of idealistic to begin with, we really are just animals. Third, I don't think you have a concept of how big space really is, let alone the amounts of energy required to move between star systems. At 99% of light speed it would take 8 1/2 years to reach the nearest star (round trip). This would require about the same amount of energy as our sun puts off over the course of a century. All that energy used, and odds are, there are no planets circling that star. The nearest star that we are 100% sure has a planet orbiting it (not even inhabitable, just orbiting) is approximately 26 light years away, requiring a 50+ year mission. These are broad amounts of energy and research required to pull off a short subject test. Basically the equivalent to building a nuclear reactor to see if a ten watt bulb has burnt out. Now, assuming that their society had to evolve to a stage to do this kind of travel, it is safe to assume that these "alien scientists" had to unravel the secrets of the universe that are required to do so. We, as a culture are also attempting to do this same thing, however, we don't devote near as much of our scientific research into finding these solutions as we do to finding out about the physiology of all known beings (plant and animal life). Ergo, it is reasonable to assume that other life forces in the universe would also want to find an understanding of such things as well. More than likely, as with humans, an understanding of how to preserve their own lives would take precedent over space travel. Much like we consider eating (preserving our own lives) more important than vacations (travel). So, to assume that alien life would have medical/scientific hardware much more elaborate and useful than we humans is not out of the realm of possibility. It actually seems quite reasonable. It would also seem to be a logical extension that whatever technology an alien being - that has the ability to travel across vast distances of space - would almost seem like it was straight out of science fiction. It might even seem miraculous or magical to our undeveloped science. I concede your point, and I certainly understand the immense size of space (and that it continues to expand outward), and I fully see the logic in people's belief that space is too vast for an alien race to have found us, at least when the variables are measured statistically etc. While I do believe this is possible, let me back up a bit by stating that I am on the fence as it relates to alien visitations. I believe many could be legitimate, but it would also not surprise me at all to find out that the "aliens" that supposedly visit us are merely a government experiment in cloning gone wrong, and the visitations themselves are merely a smokescreen to cover up a far more sinister government conspiracy. Food for thought, that's all. 
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Advanced technology and noble behavior do not always go together. During the 1600s Europeans used their technology to enslave natives of western Africa. Now that was a form of alien abduction. I agree totally, and I also figure that if we were ever to get to the level that we are able to colonize other worlds, we would undoubtedly destroy much life (sentient or otherwise) and nature as we search for the answers that we seek. Perhaps destroying as a means of gathering information is a condition of being an interstellar lifeform. While it would be possible to not destroy other worlds, civilizations, etc, doing so merely affords a race a greater amount of resources within a shorter time period. In short, destroying/conquering is more efficient than establishing peaceful contact and finding ways to compromise. Maybe as a species, we would benefit from a kick in the *** by a more advanced, evolved culture... 
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OK, Blaze, I'll kick you. First I need to know one thing.
Is your *** in the front or in the back? |
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has anyone heard of the hollow earth theory, well they say that the earth is hollow there are openings at the poles and smaller ones around the earth check it out you tube just type hollow earth episode 4 very smart guy talks about the other things like how we humans came to be a where we are from and he pretty much debunks everything you were ever taught as a kid in school because you have to remember all the facts you learnt in school are really only rushed theorys
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I haven't heard of the hollow Earth theory, but I have heard of the hollow head theory. Thanks for giving evidence supporting it.
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I am surprised no one has mentioned Gov. mind control experiments.
Its not the Aliens doing this at all, its us. The people have been brainwashed to believe it was the Aliens. Real human beings wouldn't do that kind of stuff...hybrid DNA experiments.....forced abortions...and it certainly wouldn't be 'our' Gov. doing this. Disinformation is a powerful tool. Lie to and manipulate the people and get them to believe the Aliens did it. |
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What if aliens have taken control of the government?
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I am surprised no one has mentioned Gov. mind control experiments. Its not the Aliens doing this at all, its us. The people have been brainwashed to believe it was the Aliens. Real human beings wouldn't do that kind of stuff...hybrid DNA experiments.....forced abortions...and it certainly wouldn't be 'our' Gov. doing this. Disinformation is a powerful tool. Lie to and manipulate the people and get them to believe the Aliens did it. Kind of ties in with my second theory... 
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Show me a politician who thinks the U.S. government can reduce its debt by spending more money than it takes in, and I will show a politician who must be from a planet other than Earth.
[The person couldn't be from planet Melmac. Not even a Melmacian would be stupid enough to believe that you get out of debt by going deeper into debt.] |
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Edited by
Thorb
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Sat 10/02/10 08:57 AM
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Well ... as soon as we find a way to travel faster than light speed without destroying what we are transporting ... or a wormhole and a way to teleport organisms through it and back again ... I'll consider extraterrestial visitations possible. until then ... its mostly dellusion, illusion and hysteria pulled out of a hat. psychosis is a seperate problem Trust me, it is possible. That we haven't achieved it merely indicates the limitations of our level of science. As humans, we like to think we have all the answers, but in truth, there is so much that is possible that we cannot conceive at our current level. Einstein said that while it would be impossible to break the laws that govern the light barrier, they can be bent. We just require time and patience (and perhaps another century or two of development) to find ways to circumvent those laws. Don't dismiss it merely because it has not been done. lol ... I'm not dismissing it .... just sending the class off to recess to burn up some of that pent up energy. I am dismissing the fantasy of aliens among us though. Other than a few Chineese and Guatamalins duckin' and dodgin' suthorities. Its an egocentric concept that they would give a **** about us. [quoate] has anyone heard of the hollow earth theory .... yes ... its been around since you were not even a thought. there was a comic series from DC comics in the late 70"s called "Warlord" and it took place in Middle Earth. satalites and polar visitations have pretty much debunked that theory. |
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Its an egocentric concept that they would give a **** about us.
How do you know how space aliens would think? |
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Bacteria don't think
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Alien abductions are actually a condition called "Sleep Paralysis". It's a condition wherein you are partially awake, but paralyzed and still experiencing visual and auditory dreams. I have experienced sleep paralysis once in my life, it was terrifying at the time, but it was just a dream.
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Trust me, it is possible. Might be, might not be. That we haven't achieved it merely indicates the limitations of our level of science. As humans, we like to think we have all the answers,
You mean like when we declare that something is possible, without evidence that it is possible? Don't dismiss it merely because it has not been done.
I agree. Lets not assert it just because we can imagine it, either. |
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