In addition, the thick concrete walls caused disintegration of much of the plane and it's contents on impact. Much of the planes fuel spilled down into the basement which left an ongoing fire.

They have several parts of both planes, some as memorials like the one at the TSA headquarters.

Have fun you guys duke this topic out. It's fun to watch how one group of people sucking up to the government version, versus another sucking up to another version of the story and both claim to be expert at pretty much everything..with of course the help of googling around the net.

Ummmm, people watched the planes fly into the buildings and the Pentagon and not tomention that field in PN.

There is really nothing to talk about.In all the videos I have seen and my expierences in the military,I have yet to see a missle flying through a crowded city only 10 feet above the ground traveling at 1500 miles a hour,weaving around buildings,trees and bridges and then hit the side of a building.I would think someone would have noticed that.

Yet thousands of people saw this plane hit this building.


End of story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs&feature=related

I'm sure you can make 1,000 different objects from some blurry video and call it anything.What am I going to believe?A blurry video or a thousands witnesses from all walks of life?

Thousands of people saw both planes hitting BOTH the buildings, not to mention the countless TV Camera's and crews and video cameras. Hundreds saw the plane hitting the Pentagon, along with CCTV camera's and other recordings.

Then there was the debris in Penn, I guess maybe that was a meteor?

i just put it out there...i'm not telling you what believe... i didn't see a plane, nor did i see any plane parts in any picture i looked at...

Just for the record, I do happen to be an expert and I don't need to google the net to understand what happened. I have posted the math, physics, structural forensics, etc. on a much earlier thread.

And what was your field of expertize? ...

And for the record, there was not a "government version". The government hired structural experts to analyze the event and publish a formal paper.

As I said already genius members of mingle..I'm just an effin observer of your fights.

i still think it was the demons and the ufo's... they have videoes of both at the WTC as it burned...

Yeah..all these morons..idiots..muslim lovers should be hanged...how dare they question the official government truth..

http://www.mo911truth.org/

All the evidence is out there.The problem is everyone flocks to the first website they see which is always some liberal America sucks website put there by some liberal Anti American search engine like MSN and Google.


All the parts and pieces of that airplane were sent to a warehouse,tagged and are in storage today.You can dispute all the photos and videos you want.What you can't dispute is the hundreds if not thousands of people cleaning up that mess and what they saw.If you are going to tell me that out of those hundreds of people nobody ever saw a single piece that looked like it was from a airplane,I know it is a lie because everyone saw a airplane hit the building.Yet everyone cleaning up the mess would really have to wonder why there isn't a single piece of aircraft in the building.

Out of all those workers cleaning up the building did you ever hear a single person say "We never found any pieces of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon".No because they were picking up parts and pieces of that aircraft all over the place.How on earth are you going to explain that there is pieces of the aircraft laying in the grass that wasn't there 5 minutes before the explosion?Someone just happened to be carrying a large piece of a airplane and threw it in the grass right after the explosion?

There is lots of photos here of debris

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

The main reason none of these conspiracies hold up is because they have found bodies(or what is left of them)at the pentagon and made a positive I.D.match to those who were on that airplane that day who never came back.So we can ignore every eyewitness account about a airplane,and say it was a missile.Yet something is very wrong with this picture.How did 54 dead people end up into the Pentagon who had no business being there and were all checked into the computers at a airport and boarded the same aircraft that disappeared over Washington DC?


Explain to me how a missile takes 54 people off a aircraft and transports them into a building?You can't because those 54 people were on a airplane that day.Until the 9/11 nutbags can explain how people go from a airport to a dead body in the Pentagon they have nothing.


It is the same with the twin towers.A bunch of people check into a airplane and never come back.Where did the go?They find their body in the wreckage of the twin towers.How did the body get from the airport to the twin towers?Are you going to tell me all those dead from those airplanes called their familes and told them they were going to cancel their flight and head off to the twin towers for no reason?It's utter BS.


You want proof?Do some reasearch on how the victims were identified in the wreckage and how they were matched up to the flights they were on that day.You can start here...

http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml

Forensic feat IDs nearly all Pentagon victims

i can see both sides on the pentagon, and I'm pretty convinced there was no conspiracy, but the DoD can really blame themselves for the conspiracy theorist... they never did release any video tapes of the crash, but there are over 70 cameras there...they never released the black box recording of the crash... they confiscated other video tapes of the hotels around the pentagon, and the hotels had to sue to get them back...things of this nature just add to the problem.

Heh, there were over 70 videos that would clearly show what hit the Pentagon...why only release a few fuzzy clips then? Simple question.

The link I gave that showed the pictures of the hole also included where aircraft parts were moved to the hole for a later picture. The first pic showed nothing distinquisable as commercial aircraft parts. The pieces shown do not prove it was a passenger plane...some of the engine parts found were linked to a cruise missle not a commercial airline. Where are the pieces now? Why can't they be ID'd? Why?

The witnesses were planted...some said it looked like a missle, some called it a passenger plane. Also, I read a autopsy report in 2003 where the doctors indicated there were no people of Arab descent found. Strangely the report has been washed from the internet. Why?

There's more than enough evidence to warrant a full investigation of what really happened. It's seem like the Duhniers would want that to prove their positions...not so tho~. Why?

All well and good say there were charges in the building........how do you know they weren't pre-placed by the terrorists.......it was a very elaborate plan.......and even if they could prove that charges were placed in the building with through blast patterns......they could inconclusively beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was impossible for the terrorists to have planted them.......the theory then becomes a moot point amyways and a conspiracy theory that the government institutted the attack to go to war......poimt still not proven anymore than any other conspiracy theory throught history. Did Neal Armstrong land on the moon, is area 54 holding aliens, John F Kennedy and so many more......

You mean Area 51 right? Not fair to equate this CT with others...this one has hard evidences of a conspiracy. There had to be explosives in every building hit....especially the WTC's...weight does not turn cement into dust and send it flying all over the area much less cause these buildings to fall free fall into their own footprints.

Again, people need to look before posting truthinesses...not a debate really, just people parroting the Duhnier's shill speak. Following the government issued lie is curious since so many don't trust the government these days you'd think they'd be the ones questioning all this...oh wait, 9-11 happened under the Dippic...

I see.

Even if there is hard evidence of charges in the buildings causing them to turn to dust doesn't mean the government did the charges....you would have to have unequivical proof of a conspiracy....and there is no proof of a government conspiracy and if had read any of my posts you would know I am not a sheeple nor do I trust the government.........just stating the obvious.......at the very least terrorists prepare too and they could not access explosive charges to fell the WTCs? Just apoint that even if there is unequivical evidence of charges you cannot place it at an adminstrations feet without the proof to hold it......you can suspect and it just becomes another conspiracy theory and Elvis is still alive on an island somewhere......if this the case maybe the actual news is in the tabloid with the monkey boy......

You seem to forget that it is their job to protect critical sites such as the Pentagon. The NSA and DoD does not want terrorists to learn from their mistakes so they can do a better job next time. If it was fully up to them, no information would have been released.

I am truly surprised that the DoD released the amount of damage to the building.