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Topic: non dualists are fragmented
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Tue 08/31/10 10:11 PM
FOr example, I tend to use the example of a gamer playing a MMORPG as an analogy for my own spiritual beliefs. The character being the body, the computer being the mind, and the player being "me". Would that fall under the label of "dualism" as you are using it?>>
Yep that would be it, very good. Non-dualists are no more right than dualists, and I was casting a hook to anyone that has something to say about that. My ex is into advaita non-dualism and he has narcissistic personality disorder. I read some of the sites he still posts and it impresses me how these people are so concrete and self-rightous. I have more to say on that, but this was the gist.
Non-dualism is a lot simpler to reconcile with the hard-line materialist view. Which is pretty much the default "scientific" line. The hard-line materialist doesn't have to deal with the hard questions of Ethics, etc. It's all pre-deterined and cannot be changed so there is no responsibility at all for anything. It provides a very firm foundation, unloike the ddualist who has to postulate a "self" out of nothingness and then assign purposes and attributes to that made-up nothing.

It's tough all around. :laughing:

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Tue 08/31/10 10:17 PM
So do you like dualing? We were checked for sharp objects when we were in detox. Heck, some of the junkies couldn't even keep their spoons straight. As a resident assistant I was left in charge later after I went through Hope House which was a halfway house. I didn't make it through the program the first time. The first time I was still in denial but went through what the counselor said was Pollyanna. I had nine months living on this pink cloud. It wasn't wasted time though. The seed was planted; They sure screwed up my alcoholism and drug addiction. I had this mixed drink in my hand and through association with a picture I had seen in the Metro group I was able to see the alcohol as poison. The picture was of an old man in a dark-lit place staring into his glass of alcohol and in the glass was another picture of a skull and crossbones. My mind made the connection of poison because I had seen the skull and crossbones on old cleaning products I had seen. It was awesome; I had a Pavlovian response just like Pavlov had with his experiment with his dog with the food and bell. It was such a spiritual experience for me I cried. It broke me free through all of my mental blocks and I was able to accept the first step. It was no longer just these sick people I felt sorry for but I could feel sorry for me. Recovery was then possible and the panic attacks left me. I could make it beyond the fifteen minute time period. The agoraphobia and the claustrophobia both lost their hold on me. Sanctuary was not just a building that had recovery; Recovery itself was sanctuary. The dendrites and axons were flooded with insights and my synaptic nerve endings were tingling with excitement. I was able to bridge the gaps in what was told me in counseling sessions, group therapy and my spiritual experience. Tabula Rasa was no longer a blank slate as my mind started to adapt to the programming. It was still dark but that was just the fog and they told me if I kept going to meetings the fog would eventually lift. But that was okay because that little spark was enough to light my path and I no longer had to stay in the cave of denial. Since then I have even been sanctuary to others lost in the opaque world of denial.:smile:
spiritual experiences are powerful and transforming. I was just relating how I think all illness has a primary spiritual component.
Interesting that you should mention that after the previous comment about Scientology. That "spiritual component to illness" is a very prominent part of their creed. (Ref: "The Creed of the Church of Scientology" from www.scientology.org.)

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Wed 09/01/10 06:30 AM
Edited by RainbowTrout on Wed 09/01/10 06:32 AM
I don't know if this applies but one of the things that concerns me in the medical field is if there is any correlation of demon possession and dementia. I just made four years as a CNA, today. I try to study the ADL's of residents in my care and the longer I am there the longer I can see the dementia and not the demon possession. They can seem so much alike though in my opinion from what I have read from documentation. As a matter of fact I have seen the Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde thing going on where I work. One moment they will seem perfectly normal for them and the next moment it is like I encounter this other personality. I have even used it to my advantage; I simply wait till Mr. Hyde leaves and deal with Dr. Jekyll. Part of it might be the change in medications due to allergic reactions and medicine that just seems to work better due to non reaction with the other medications some of these people are on.

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Thu 09/02/10 04:42 PM
Edited by wux on Thu 09/02/10 04:42 PM


I don't know if this applies but one of the things that concerns me in the medical field is if there is any correlation of demon possession and dementia. I just made four years as a CNA, today. I try to study the ADL's of residents in my care and the longer I am there the longer I can see the dementia and not the demon possession. They can seem so much alike though in my opinion from what I have read from documentation. As a matter of fact I have seen the Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde thing going on where I work. One moment they will seem perfectly normal for them and the next moment it is like I encounter this other personality. I have even used it to my advantage; I simply wait till Mr. Hyde leaves and deal with Dr. Jekyll. Part of it might be the change in medications due to allergic reactions and medicine that just seems to work better due to non reaction with the other medications some of these people are on.


I would tend to agree with you, RT, but the DNA of the CNA is clearly APPDS at the RTF anodes. Take a mental node, for instance. Would it come from ADL, as you say, or from the DJMH syndrome of the occipital lobe's RPGD fracture line uptake of GTOMS-ses?

Hard to say. I think you are doing an excellent job at the prelimary work of COPMS.

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Thu 09/02/10 06:47 PM
maybe, but separatists are united!!

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Thu 09/02/10 07:36 PM



I don't know if this applies but one of the things that concerns me in the medical field is if there is any correlation of demon possession and dementia. I just made four years as a CNA, today. I try to study the ADL's of residents in my care and the longer I am there the longer I can see the dementia and not the demon possession. They can seem so much alike though in my opinion from what I have read from documentation. As a matter of fact I have seen the Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde thing going on where I work. One moment they will seem perfectly normal for them and the next moment it is like I encounter this other personality. I have even used it to my advantage; I simply wait till Mr. Hyde leaves and deal with Dr. Jekyll. Part of it might be the change in medications due to allergic reactions and medicine that just seems to work better due to non reaction with the other medications some of these people are on.


I would tend to agree with you, RT, but the DNA of the CNA is clearly APPDS at the RTF anodes. Take a mental node, for instance. Would it come from ADL, as you say, or from the DJMH syndrome of the occipital lobe's RPGD fracture line uptake of GTOMS-ses?

Hard to say. I think you are doing an excellent job at the prelimary work of COPMS.


Here is a classic case to which I am referring. My friend who was a nurse where I work and got a better paying job with better benefits noticed that in the charts that the doctor had prescribed this particular medication for this resident. The side affects of this particular medication matched the symptoms of the resident diagnosed by the same physician. She documented this in her charts and showed it to the physician. The physician stopped that particular medication to the resident and the resident stopped showing those symptoms. He changed to a different medication and the resident's psychiatric well being changed for the difference. Even us CNAs noticed the difference almost immediately. In other words she didn't seem demon possessed any longer in my opinion.

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Thu 09/02/10 08:25 PM
yall do know she quit, right? just checking...

RainbowTrout's photo
Fri 09/03/10 07:52 AM

yall do know she quit, right? just checking...


I didn't know. Thats a shame.

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