You know, we could pretend that the US decides to annex Mexico. Im all
for that and it would be relatively easy. Say 100,000 troops and 2
weeks.
Then we could raise our tax base, gain oil reserves, stop the need for
illegal immigration, and be able to tax the American Corporations that
have moved there under the quise of NAFTA!!!

What do you think about that?

Doc, you gotta get over that whole civil war thing pal. I like John
Wayne too but they are just movies. To call yankees naieve and wussies
is just plain wrong. I don't remember Red asking us to take this into
the redneck realm. A stick on a gun rack in the back glass of a truck
doesn't tell me the driver is a bad ass. It tells me he owns a stick.
I'm strting to get a little peeved at all the serious bashing around
here. I enjoy it when people jab at me and find it very funny but when
someone gets personal, the gloves come off. For the life of me I am
discouraged when hate trumps humor on this site and it cuts even deeper
when it comes from a friend.

Fanta, should we follow the corporations all over the world? Lots of
companies EVERYWHERE. We could annex China to get at all of those
bastards that moved production there to make a dime and are there
because they could afford to get away from the liberal tax tick that
wants to suck them dry. You want cheap goods so you tax them into
oblivion? Good plan. I can hear them packing up to move back here as I
sit here typing. Oh, sorry! That was my daughter's cat burying a turd in
his litter box.

I just want Mexico!!!!
Cancun would be nice!!!

Zap, there ya go again tryin' to paint all us liberals with the same
brush. Just because one is lib, dosen't mean he swings lib on ALL
issues. Remember, something isn't so just because Rush says it is.

Besides Zap, China wants to start building cars in Mexico so they can
come under NAFTA and avoid the tariffs anyway!

Peace everyone.

Fanta, you cracked me up with your last post. So you do have an
imagination and after I stopped laughing, I thought, wow, mm anyone else
thing it would work to annex Mexico? Interesting, but wait, there's
gotta be a reason we never did this before, what is it?

I'm sorry about this whole post, I don't think anyone took the American
bashing as personally as I did. It seemed, for a while there, that
every post I read, someone from another country had something to say
about why Americans aren't doing something to (stop the war, feed the
poor, heal the sick, send supplies or just plain, looking beyond our
selves). I tried on many occasions to explain that each of us does what
we can, but I started to feel as though everyone outside this country
thinks we can walk up to the White House and say ""hey, stop this, or do
that.""

So I started this thread, in the hopes that they would understand, that
we have as little or as much control over this government as they have
over theirs. I figured if the one country that is always anywhere in
time of crisis was suddenly in peril and the funds stopped flowing, that
they might see just how difficult it would be to get their government to
do something to help us.

But no one wanted to play my game. Sorry, it was a manipulation gone
wrong, but I did it with good intentions, in the hopes that we could
begin to see more eye to eye again, as people in the same boat.

Peace to you all and thanks for your time on this post.

Pollack said Mexico will allow China's Zhongxing Automobile to export
50,000 vehicles duty-free to the country this year.

Assembling the Zhongxing vehicles in Tijuana will make them Mexican
under North American free trade rules, so they can be exported to the
United States duty-free, according to Pollack.



We did it once, annex Mexico redy, but the Generals said it would take
too many Americans to hold it. They said that the average Mexican didnt
care who had the country and exhibited no will to fight to protect it.
So the US withdrew and let them have it back except California, Texas,
Arizona, and N. Mexico.
You didnt know that?

heres a link Zap!!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/06/chinese_suv.html

Once again Knox, you stated that you are a liberal. I do not listen to
Rush. Why would you insinuate that I do? I asked you to explain your
Cuban comment further so I can uderstand how it fits into this
discussion. Most of us are not up on the Cubans in Florida and would
like to hear more than a one sentence blurb thrown out there without
clarification as to how you feel it would affect Red's scenario.

Cars that are 20% cheaper? Cool. Should be 40% cheaper. Remember the
Japanese invasion of the seventies? Remember the American cars of the
seventies? The Chinese will capitalize on our market economy. NAFTA
wasn't around in the seventies. The first rule of business: Compete or
die.

Fanta? You there? Glen! Come on pal! You can't crash when I'm just
getting warmed up! Aw hell, gotta conduct a shop meeting in the
morning anyway. See ya tomorrow!

Im here, I was discussing a waste of time!!!

I was never for NAFTA, and this is one more example of it not working.
It needs to be rescinded from law, and more tariffs installed on
Countries doing business here. That's what I think, and what it will
take to protect Americans jobs, and small businesses. The only one's
benefiting from NAFTA are major Corporations. They love the cheap labor
force, lower taxes, and it does not, nor has it gotten them to reduce
prices on the goods they sell. We are the largest Market in the world,
as evidenced by the Japanese invasion, and now the Chinese invasion!
Tariffs are designed to protect that market, and American businesses.
Ever since many of them were lifted during the 80's is when we started
experiencing the loss of good manufacturing jobs, and saw them replaced
by service Industry jobs.

It is all about a gradual implementation of globalization driven by big
business in this country. It is driven to increase their profit margins
and the biggest losers are the American people!

You have that bass ackward Fanta. Labor costs, overhead, taxes, etc.
etc. etc. You can't kick the dog and expect him to lay by your feet.
What do you think business wants? The same as you. A paycheck. Next
review, tell your boss you don't want a pay raise because the cost of
living only went up 4% last year. You would do well to study business as
much as politics. They are not necessarily unrelated as is nearly
everything around us. Off to conduct a meeting.

Well. I see a few flaws in your scenario. First of all, I think Mexico
would come to our aid. Certainly Canada would. Just from this I would
conclude that the situation would be highly unlikely. We are in a civil
region of the world. Much more so than some regions in the Middle East
or Africa. Asia has several problem areas as well along the borders of
Russia that might not be considered the Middle East. However, I think
you have to expect that France would come to our aid, particularly since
Sarkozy has become prime minister. England would certainly help,
Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Germany. Maybe not Switzerland since they
are historically neutral. Austria, Poland, Germany, Japan, Australia,
Israel. Many, many more countries would help. The United States is more
important than just as big brother around the world. We contribute to
world commerce in a way that enriches the lives of people the world
over. In addition we set a good example of people working together to
improve the world for peace and prosperity.

There are risks we face, but I think they are slightly different than
that. More likely to be trouble is outside moneyed interests promoting
some social agenda and getting a particularly nefarious collection of
laws passed to undermine the constitution and essentially enslave the
people, confiscating all wealth in the hands of of the central
government for purposes of support global fairness campaigns or some
such. for this there is no defense other than the intelligence of the
American people. Since so much of the American population is more
concerned with how much then can drink or smoke or whatever, the
intelligence is somewhat compromised. Some didn't start with all that
much to begin with. In some other regions outside of our country there
are large groups of people with some measure of power who are in fact
not spending all their time drinking and smoking whatever. Many have
their minds and intelligence intact. The ability of AlQueda to launch
the attack against the twin towers and bring them down demonstrates this
fact. With clever, devious plans and malicious intent, backed with money
and enough time, peculiar plays can be made against our country. I think
the people here should work from within to improve the character of our
people and their attention to important matters. In this is the defense
of our homeland.

Did I mention education and character building?

Jeeze Philospher... Not that many people smoke/dring/drug to stupidity.

Wait a minute the bong is calling.

OK....

What the heck you mean some of us arnt all that intellegent.

Wups... Bong is calling again.

Ok... I feel better now... What was that you were saying.

Zap, I have had a business before,(15 yrs) and small business in this
country is fighting a losing battle. The business that drives
globalization is big business. Multi-billion dollar businesses, not
small business. Small businesses in this country are struggling to stay
afloat!
I owned a construction business, employing between 10 to 15 people. I
was forced to liquidate, or like my competitors who were constantly
under bidding me, to employ illegal immigrants. I, not being a hypocrite
would not do this, so I sold all my equipment and then hired out by the
hour.($32 an hr.) This went well, I am a lead carpenter that has the
skill to build from a wooded forest to a turn-key product. I have built
many both working for myself and for others. I was very well paid when
the man I was working for decided to do what I would not do. He decided
to lay off every American working on my crew, and hire illegal
immigrants. Good men, well trained and skilled! Do you understand where
Im going here?
Let me finish. I am not a hypocrite, and I stood by my men who had
families, rather than work with these unskilled men that didnt even
speak English! I told this man, who by the way "WAS" a friend, that what
he was doing was against the law. He said, "what can I do Glen, I cant
compete without doing this". Mind you, once again I could have continued
to work for this ex-friend, but I stood behind my men, (did I say they
had wifes and children), and told him I would not help him break the
law, that I didnt give a **** what everyone else was doing! He fired me,
I went to file discrimination and was told that I was white and it didnt
apply. On the other hand, if I was an illegal immigrant it would.
I went to see Charles Taylor, 30 yrs my Representative. He would not do
anything, not even talk to me. I started actively pursuing removing him
from office. Heath Shuler now has his job, I didnt do it alone, but I
like to believe I had a big part of it.
I went to see John Edwards, he was a Senator then, I never got to talk
face to face with him, because he was on the campaign trail with Kerry,
but the next day "HE" called my house. We had a good conversation! blah,
blaah long story, still continues.

Dont let your ****y, superior attitude lead you to presumptions that I
am ignorant to business, my friend. Those presumptions can work both
ways. I understand far more to what tariffs do and how they affect small
businesses and Americans jobs than it seems to me you do! I think you
fail to understand the correlation, not I.
I could go on about it for pages and pages. Most American employers will
not even consider you for a cost of living increase unless or until you
have reached top pay. So dont go there, it wasnt like that before
globalization. The Tariffs are designed to preserve the ability of
American business to compete for business here, at home against
Companies from over seas that pay their employees less wages, because
the cost of living and standard is not the same as ours. We have the
largest market in the world and consume more products than anyone. If an
American is given a pay raise the company raises the price of their
goods. That is the way it has always worked, until globalization. Now
our wages go down and the jobs go away, while the prices have not!!!

Fanta I am not sure where you get your information but when I drive down
the street here I see roughly 12 large corporat type business and over a
hundred small family owned business. Sure some of those small
businesses will fail. It is the nature of the game. Some of them,
however have been in business for a long time and are still going
strong.

I reckon its what you want out of it. If your looking to get rich and
become a big shot or if your looking to be able to live comfortably and
pass a bit around to others.