I always thought of a natural right as anything , if you were isolated on an island, that you would be free to do

anything that involves other people is not a natural right,,, I dont have a right to take something from someone else, for instance, without their permission or without some exchange

guns are created by others in most cases,, so I dont consider their ownership a NATURAL right because they dont occur in nature and are a part of either trade or commerce,,,

I think there are many interpretations of it though

but if it wasnt already present in nature,, I dont consider it a 'natural' right

so we don't have a right to defend ourselves? If you were stranded on an island would you not be free to make a gun if you wanted?

so if you wouldnt have the right to take what was mine ... would I not have the right to prevent you from doing so? Say I used a wooden branch (already present in nature) to defend my property ... whats the diff between that and using a gun?

yes, but I imagine the gun you would make using NATURAL resources would be quite different than the guns people purchase now.

So the guns we have now are not made from natural resources? What abut a bow and arrow?

In a governed society, the government identifies rights, defines them, determines who and how they are to be given to citizens and makes laws to this effect.

So the government assigns privileges to allow the citizenry to have and weapons are a privilege the government allows.

You can't do squat in this country that the government doesn't allow you to do.

Like it or not.

All papers we use to govern were made by our creator governors. Our first government officials were the creators and constructors of this government.

Oddly enough...I actually ( kinda ) agree with this. lol

sure, bow and arrow made by oneself would fall into a natural category , I wouldnt oppose people making and using them for protection of their LIVES (although I still would not personally justify harming the physical body over material things)

I agree but unfortunately what we have today in government I believe is far from what was intended by the forefathers. We as a country took a left turn (no pun intended) and let the government control get out of hand. There was a time when we had 2 federal laws treason and counterfeiting ... That's it!! No we have thousands of laws and a deifferent acronym to enforce each one!!!!