Topic: Your murderous military caught on tape
isaac_dede's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:03 PM
Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:10 PM

Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated

no photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:15 PM

" ... Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. ... "



What a skewed effin' perspective. How DO you sleep ... ? The 'Medal of Courageous Restraint' would obviously trump the Medal of Honor in your universe ...

isaac_dede's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:17 PM


Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated

well when it comes to your life, or someone else I hope you have the restraint with which you preach...fact is you won't

tongueartist1's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:19 PM


Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:29 PM



Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes


So I have to be a thug in uniform to have an opinion? Talk about an appeal to authority fallacy! slaphead

Do you realize that thousands of veterans share my opinion? (Iraq Veterans against the War-http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans Against The War-http://veteransagainstthewar.com/wordpress/)

As long as soldiers are paid by taxpayer dollars, dissent is not only legitimate-it is necessary!

tongueartist1's photo
Tue 07/06/10 09:41 PM




Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes


So I have to be a thug in uniform to have an opinion? Talk about an appeal to authority fallacy! slaphead

Do you realize that thousands of veterans share my opinion? (Iraq Veterans against the War-http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans Against The War-http://veteransagainstthewar.com/wordpress/)

As long as soldiers are paid by taxpayer dollars, dissent is not only legitimate-it is necessary!
well as a desert storm veteran i have been in their shoes and no it is not as easy to kill another humanbeing as you think.but when it is your life or theirs you have to choose talk to anyone that has beeen there

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 07/06/10 10:22 PM





Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes


So I have to be a thug in uniform to have an opinion? Talk about an appeal to authority fallacy! slaphead

Do you realize that thousands of veterans share my opinion? (Iraq Veterans against the War-http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans Against The War-http://veteransagainstthewar.com/wordpress/)

As long as soldiers are paid by taxpayer dollars, dissent is not only legitimate-it is necessary!
well as a desert storm veteran i have been in their shoes and no it is not as easy to kill another humanbeing as you think.but when it is your life or theirs you have to choose talk to anyone that has beeen there


No, it's not easy to kill others-that's what the training is for.frustrated

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/06/10 10:28 PM


the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right

my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move


The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence.

Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER!


I agree that it is best for those in power to have dumb and ignorant constituents. As to debate about OBama,, there doesnt seem to be much to debate, the certification of birth and the GOVERNMENT officials (including republicans) already confirmed where he was born. As to 9/11, that was nine years ago,,whats to debate at this point? the ball is already rolling,,,

ValentinaSS's photo
Tue 07/06/10 10:28 PM

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/04/06/vo.apache.reuters.journalists.cnn

Here we see footage from the perspective of a helicopter "patrolling" in Afghanistan. The pilot lies to his commander about "subjects" being armed and murders about a half dozen innocent civilians.

Don't watch if you are sensitive to extreme violence.


When I try to post a link, it doesn`t post as a link, it looks like the text here. A problem I never used to have,,,,anyone know why this happens?

ValentinaSS's photo
Tue 07/06/10 10:55 PM
Edited by ValentinaSS on Tue 07/06/10 11:24 PM
Veterans against war? They do have a right to be against wars, they had to have regretted their decision to join the military, and that`s too bad because no one can truly be prepared for the damage that engaging in combat can cause (yet, it WAS a decision). And even, if they changed their minds, there is no backing out. Being drafted had to suck. Has the public always been informed of the truth? No. Do I appreciate our country`s military force? Yes! Am I happy that I haven`t been killed by any enemy on my own soil, YES. All citizens of the U.S. aren`t perfect (this country is full of thieves, cheats, junkies, child abusers, murderers, rapists, etc.), so how can we expect people who represent our country (politicians) to be?

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/06/10 10:57 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/06/10 10:57 PM

Veterans against war? They do have a right to be against wars, they had to have regretted their decision to join the military, and that`s too bad because no one can truly be prepared for the damage that engaging in combat can cause. And even, if they changed their minds, there is no backing out. Being drafted had to suck. Has the public always been informed of the truth? No. Do I appreciate our country`s military force? Yes! Am I happy that I haven`t been killed by any enemy on my own soil, YES. All citizens of the U.S. aren`t perfect (this country is full of thieves, cheats, junkies, child abusers, murderers, rapists, etc.), so how can we expect people who represent our country to be?



exactly, if you can find a character trait amongst civilians, you can find it amongst soldiers or police (although we hope certain character traits are found in smaller proportions )

Kleisto's photo
Wed 07/07/10 12:18 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 07/07/10 12:19 AM



the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right

my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move


The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence.

Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER!


I agree that it is best for those in power to have dumb and ignorant constituents. As to debate about OBama,, there doesnt seem to be much to debate, the certification of birth and the GOVERNMENT officials (including republicans) already confirmed where he was born. As to 9/11, that was nine years ago,,whats to debate at this point? the ball is already rolling,,,


Yes but they lie always and forged the certificate. It was marked set for scanning, and that ability wasn't available in 1961 when Obama was born. Plus the thing was first changed like in 2001. So in short, it's a fraud and so is he.

As to 9-11, to put it simply, that it was an inside job, flat out.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/07/10 01:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 07/07/10 02:09 AM




the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right

my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move


The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence.

Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER!


I agree that it is best for those in power to have dumb and ignorant constituents. As to debate about OBama,, there doesnt seem to be much to debate, the certification of birth and the GOVERNMENT officials (including republicans) already confirmed where he was born. As to 9/11, that was nine years ago,,whats to debate at this point? the ball is already rolling,,,


Yes but they lie always and forged the certificate. It was marked set for scanning, and that ability wasn't available in 1961 when Obama was born. Plus the thing was first changed like in 2001. So in short, it's a fraud and so is he.

As to 9-11, to put it simply, that it was an inside job, flat out.




forged the certificate? and the seal?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

and made false statements?

http://www.kxnet.com/custom404.asp?404;http://www.kxnet.com/News/Politics/291624.asp

and phonied a STATE generated birth announcement? politifact.com

'In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4."

But here's the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

"That's not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, 'Hey, can you put this in?'" Hoover explained. '


quite a conspiracy theory on that one...

Kleisto's photo
Wed 07/07/10 04:16 AM





the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right

my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move


The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence.

Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER!


I agree that it is best for those in power to have dumb and ignorant constituents. As to debate about OBama,, there doesnt seem to be much to debate, the certification of birth and the GOVERNMENT officials (including republicans) already confirmed where he was born. As to 9/11, that was nine years ago,,whats to debate at this point? the ball is already rolling,,,


Yes but they lie always and forged the certificate. It was marked set for scanning, and that ability wasn't available in 1961 when Obama was born. Plus the thing was first changed like in 2001. So in short, it's a fraud and so is he.

As to 9-11, to put it simply, that it was an inside job, flat out.




forged the certificate? and the seal?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

and made false statements?

http://www.kxnet.com/custom404.asp?404;http://www.kxnet.com/News/Politics/291624.asp

and phonied a STATE generated birth announcement? politifact.com

'In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4."

But here's the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

"That's not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, 'Hey, can you put this in?'" Hoover explained. '


quite a conspiracy theory on that one...



All I am gonna say is this, they always have and always will work together. They NEVER EVER EVER will tell the real truth. NEVER EVER!

LilithSkyy's photo
Wed 07/07/10 04:51 AM
all I hear is "waaaa waaa" stop bitching and do something constructive with your time instead of dancing around the topic of War and Death in a dating sight forum.

no photo
Wed 07/07/10 05:36 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Wed 07/07/10 05:37 AM

" ... No, it's not easy to kill others-that's what the training is for. ... "


And you would know this precisely HOW ... ? "Just words ... just speeches ... "

Lpdon's photo
Wed 07/07/10 07:57 AM






Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes


So I have to be a thug in uniform to have an opinion? Talk about an appeal to authority fallacy! slaphead

Do you realize that thousands of veterans share my opinion? (Iraq Veterans against the War-http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans Against The War-http://veteransagainstthewar.com/wordpress/)

As long as soldiers are paid by taxpayer dollars, dissent is not only legitimate-it is necessary!
well as a desert storm veteran i have been in their shoes and no it is not as easy to kill another humanbeing as you think.but when it is your life or theirs you have to choose talk to anyone that has beeen there


No, it's not easy to kill others-that's what the training is for.frustrated


It's not hard if your in a life threatening situation, it's actually an easy decision to make. I almost had to make it once doing LP when my partner got stabbed and I had the guy by the neck(still weilding the knife I might add) and choked him out, and if need be I could have taken his life and I wouldn't have thought twice.

Don speak unless you've been in the situations.

no photo
Wed 07/07/10 12:29 PM

When I try to post a link, it doesn`t post as a link, it looks like the text here. A problem I never used to have,,,,anyone know why this happens?


Example:
http://www.google.com

To see how to post links, 'quote' this comment. That is, click the word 'Quote', which is in between "Report Post" and "Reply", just below and to the right of this paragraph. Then you will see how its done. (Open with a '[', then 'url', then ']'. Close with '[', then '/url', then ']')

heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 07/07/10 12:32 PM







Do people really believe that our soldiers are just a bunch of murder's who enjoy killing?

Nope, that's not the case sorry, can't agree.

And unless you are faced with looking down a barrel of a gun, and it's your life or theirs shut up.

Police offers kill people as well, they are protecting themselves or others

It's the same thing, and one was an RPG and if your in a helo your life is in danger, but I'm glad you have the right to complain here in this country publicly it's one of your freedoms, try that in another in a few other countries....i'm sure it will be well-received..



Some do enjoy murdering, but for the most part they are tools of murderous politicians. frustrated The good ones (like members of Veterans Against The War) choose not to fight.

Cops are another subject entirely-but they too are illegitimate thugs as well. rant frustrated
when u put yourself in harms way heavenly. i will take what you say as truth. because until you have been there you do not know what it feels like to be in their shoes


So I have to be a thug in uniform to have an opinion? Talk about an appeal to authority fallacy! slaphead

Do you realize that thousands of veterans share my opinion? (Iraq Veterans against the War-http://www.ivaw.org/ Veterans Against The War-http://veteransagainstthewar.com/wordpress/)

As long as soldiers are paid by taxpayer dollars, dissent is not only legitimate-it is necessary!
well as a desert storm veteran i have been in their shoes and no it is not as easy to kill another humanbeing as you think.but when it is your life or theirs you have to choose talk to anyone that has beeen there


No, it's not easy to kill others-that's what the training is for.frustrated


It's not hard if your in a life threatening situation, it's actually an easy decision to make. I almost had to make it once doing LP when my partner got stabbed and I had the guy by the neck(still weilding the knife I might add) and choked him out, and if need be I could have taken his life and I wouldn't have thought twice.

Don speak unless you've been in the situations.

Again, you resort to appeal to authority fallacy.

I have every right and obligation to speak if a policy can or does affect me.