The only people who need to prove it are the people who want to insist that the stories are true.

Since I don't fall into that category proof is unimportant to me. I prefer to read about the Faery Teachings and just accept that they are stories of wisdom rather than fact.

Besides, there are a lot of flood stories. Someone once posted a link to a web page that listed literally dozens or more flood stories from various cultures. Of course, they all had different tales and weren't always about some guy building a boat, but still, the idea was basically the same. The gods were peeved and the flood was to wash away the bad people.

This is indeed the kind of 'fairytale' that adults would tell to their young children to make them think twice about doing something wrong. After all, if God will flood out the whole planet when he get's peeved he probably won't hold back on delivering less severe punishements to disobedient children as well.

Children who are taught these stories tend to keep believing them even when the reach adulthood and before long you have a whole culture of adults who fell for the stories their ancient parents taught them.

well, i like facts... if something can be proven, i would like to see it, just for my own knowledge.

I do too. However, as far as I'm concerned it's already been shown by geologists that no 'worldwide flood' has ever occurred during the time that humans have been living on the Earth.

Since the biblical story requires a worldwide flood to have occurred while humans lived on the Earth, it must be false. If the story was based on a local flood, then there would have been no need for an 'ark' to save the animal species, etc.

So as far as I'm concerned the "proof" is already in. Any stories that claim a worldwide flood occurred whilst humans were present on this planet is definitely false. The biblical cannon contains such a story, therefore the biblical cannon contains false stories.

....here's an article of interest///





A newly translated Sumerian tablet shows that the Ark was not the pointed prowed boat of popular imagination, but a round-shaped craft made of reeds ... possibly more like a coracle?

Apparently, Noah shepherded the animals round and round the craft. If that isn't an allegory for the cycles of the Zodiac, I don't know what is. 'Zodiac' means 'circle of animals' in Greek. It's where the word 'zoo' comes from. However, the writer of this Guardian article doesn't seem to have realised this and is solely interested in discussing the sea-worthiness of the craft.


That they processed aboard the enormous floating wildlife collection two-by-two is well known. Less familiar, however, is the possibility that the animals Noah shepherded on to his ark then went round and round inside.

According to newly translated instructions inscribed in ancient Babylonian on a clay tablet telling the story of the ark, the vessel that saved one virtuous man, his family and the animals from god's watery wrath was not the pointy-prowed craft of popular imagination but rather a giant circular reed raft.

The now battered tablet, aged about 3,700 years, was found somewhere in the Middle East by Leonard Simmons, a largely self-educated Londoner who indulged his passion for history while serving in the RAF from 1945 to 1948.

The relic was passed to his son Douglas, who took it to one of the few people in the world who could read it as easily as the back of a cornflakes box; he gave it to Irving Finkel, a British Museum expert, who translated its 60 lines of neat cuneiform script.

There are dozens of ancient tablets that have been found which describe the flood story but Finkel says this one is the first to describe the vessel's shape.

"In all the images ever made people assumed the ark was, in effect, an ocean-going boat, with a pointed stem and stern for riding the waves – so that is how they portrayed it," said Finkel. "But the ark didn't have to go anywhere, it just had to float, and the instructions are for a type of craft which they knew very well. It's still sometimes used in Iran and Iraq today, a type of round coracle which they would have known exactly how to use to transport animals across a river or floods."

Finkel's research throws light on the familiar Mesopotamian story, which became the account in Genesis, in the Old Testament, of Noah and the ark that saved his menagerie from the waters which drowned every other living thing on earth.

In his translation, the god who has decided to spare one just man speaks to Atram-Hasis, a Sumerian king who lived before the flood and who is the Noah figure in earlier versions of the ark story. "Wall, wall! Reed wall, reed wall! Atram-Hasis, pay heed to my advice, that you may live forever! Destroy your house, build a boat; despise possessions And save life! Draw out the boat that you will built with a circular design; Let its length and breadth be the same."

The tablet goes on to command the use of plaited palm fibre, waterproofed with bitumen, before the construction of cabins for the people and wild animals.

It ends with the dramatic command of Atram-Hasis to the unfortunate boat builder whom he leaves behind to meet his fate, about sealing up the door once everyone else is safely inside: "When I shall have gone into the boat, Caulk the frame of the door!"

Fortunes were spent in the 19th century by biblical archaeology enthusiasts in hunts for evidence of Noah's flood. The Mesopotamian flood myth was incorporated into the great poetic epic Gilgamesh, and Finkel, curator of the recent British Museum exhibition on ancient Babylon, believes that it was during the Babylonian captivity that the exiled Jews learned the story, brought it home with them, and incorporated it into the Old Testament.

Despite its unique status, Simmons' tablet – which has been dated to around 1,700 BC and is only a few centuries younger than the oldest known account – was very nearly overlooked.

"When my dad eventually came home, he shipped a whole tea chest of this kind of stuff home – seals, tablets, bits of pottery," said Douglas. "He would have picked them up in bazaars, or when people knew he was interested in this sort of thing, they would have brought them to him and earned a few bob."

Simmons senior became a scenery worker at the BBC, but kept up his love of history, and was very disappointed when academics dismissed treasures of his as commonplace and worthless. His son took the tablet to a British Museum open day, where Finkel "took one look at it and nearly fell off his chair" with excitement.

"It is the most extraordinary thing," Simmons said of the tablet. "You hold it in your hand, and you instantly get a feeling that you are directly connected to a very ancient past – and it gives you a shiver down your spine."
Raiders of the lost ark

The human fascination with the flood and the whereabouts of the ark shows few signs of subsiding.

The story has travelled down the centuries from the ancient Babylonians and continues to fascinate in the 21st century.

Countless expeditions have travelled to Mount Ararat in Turkey, where Noah's ark is said to have come to rest, but scientific proof of its existence has yet to be found.

Recent efforts to find it have been led by creationists, who are keen to exhibit it as evidence of the literal truth of the Bible.

"If the flood of Noah indeed wiped out the entire human race and its civilization, as the Bible teaches, then the ark constitutes the one remaining major link to the pre-flood world," says John D Morris of the Institute for Creation Research.

"No significant artefact could ever be of greater antiquity or importance."

In the Victorian era some became obsessed with the ark story. George Smith – the lowly British museum assistant who, in 1872, deciphered the Flood Tablet which is inscribed with the Assyrian version of the Noah's ark tale – could apparently not contain his excitement at his discovery.

According to the museum's archives: "He jumped up and rushed about the room in a great state of excitement and to the astonishment of those present began to undress himself."

The video is more about the ark than about the flood. Its absolutely worth watching the last 30 seconds.

Regarding the flood: the video is about a taking literal interpretation. Afaik, the evidence does not support the idea that water levels exceeded the highest mountain. Am I wrong?



I saw the part where the remains of a craft that could not possibly have carried all of the worlds species was found. Is that the ark you are talking about?



'Some kind' of background, indeed...not necessarily a background that justifies a literal interpretation.

Ok, how many different times has it been "found" now?

Funny how all that science that does work with the age of the earth, and the age of fossils is suddenly good enough when they need it in an attempt to prove one of their fables.

Sure it happened. I have the audio at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk