The kids

A little of that might happen. However, I think first we need to change how we as a society act. Instead of this 'me' culture we have, we need to develop a culture of respect for others and concern with doing what is right. I guess this is a start, but unless we have a big culture shift I do not see it passing to many other people. Sadly.

Start by example, but I can see where you are coming from. We can all learn from others if we just pay attention and make wise decisions.

I try. Not that I do so perfectly, but I do small things like holding doors for people. I get a lot of 'thank you's... and then a lot of doors slammed in my face! Gotta love it!

We are just getting started...lol

Just because a man acts gentlemanly doesn't mean we have to return to a time when women were abused more than today.

Treating a woman as a woman doesn't mean she has to be treated as less than a man at any level.

Rob you can open my door anytime

People just misunderstand common courtesy and manners. You keep doing what you think and know to be the right thing to do, someone may just see you opening the door for others and do the same.

Of course it would be best if parents taught children...in many ways we do, by example. The kids are at school so much of their day, they learn all kinds of things that aren't about the "3 R's"
Think about the garbage your kids came home saying and doing after they started school..My oldest came home with new swear words, 2nd grade he came home and asked what a "faggot" was...

So why not put some energy into them learning some good things too. If some parents aren't reinforcing such things doesn't have to mean the child can't benefit from it. Many of these kids who are not being taught a positive message at home.. want the positive, they need it.
And can carry it with them through their lives.

Maybe it's the kids who don't have the positive reinforcement at home that could benefit from it the most.

It's called good manners and respect. Having some class.

I've taught my child good manners, open doors for the elderly, etc. I didn't tell them to only have good manners if the people were of a certain sex.

Btw, my child was at a church function. I listened to the last ten minutes of it. The leader was talking to the children about opening doors for people. He said that they should do that because those people are God's children too and we treat God's children well. That was the jist of it. I thought that was a cool way of looking at it.

well that is a problem. You can't force adults to learn manners. Even with leading by example...if an adult doesn't care or thinks they aren't wrong, they won't learn

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how much do you want to bet those kids that leran to be so polite never get a date ..well be the kids that the rest of school kid in the *** every day .

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uh that's called ethics and all the great philosophers wondered if it was good. Why don't we teach it in school .

That's a crock of shiit!

I have 3 grown up sons now and they were then and are now polite, respectful, door opening, excuse me saying, gentlemen. They don't take any crap from anyone and they didn't take crap or get bullied then. They get dates and are confident young men.

What is with this misconception that if you exhibit manners and are polite and kind to women it makes you a pU88y....I'm not understanding this thinking.

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well this is the simple reason but it started back in the earle 60's . they didn't want to be treated like a lady . so now they get what there grandmothers wanted . freedom to find there own sit ect . and that funny look was she was wondering if you were going to demand sex for opening the door .

I think that were under estimating these kids. If a kid isn't getting taught manners, integrity, or anything positive at home there is a pretty good chance they are already looking else where for positive reinforcement. My father was the biggest racist I have ever known..really, in my entire life. I didn't grow up being a racist. I watched others and learned from them. Parents influence is strong to a point..then a child figures it out on their own. I've seen some pretty good kids come out of some pretty bad homes.

I'm not underestimating them at all. I realize kids can learn even if their parents are wrong, but it is hard to install manners in them when they go home and the parents don't have manners themselves. They see mom and dad acting a certain way. Not saying it's not possible, just saying it makes it harder when it doesn't start at home. JMO

Whatever are you talking about? Almost all of the men that I know have good manners like that. Even men that I don't know open the door for me and my child when we go to the store. Are you saying that none of them can get dates? I need to let my father, brother, and my ex boyfriends know that. My own child has learned, by my example, to say excuse me, thank you, etc. to the cashier, the waitress, and everybody else.

Rose,

Can't peer pressure go a long way? Even if that peer pressure is good manners?

yes....but depends on ages too. But this is my opinion and you are welcome to yours

I agree..it does make it harder. A lot more challenges for the kids, absolutely. That's the time the rest of us kinda fill in ya know. I know with me and the age spans between my boys..I have ALWAYS had a house full of boys and many of them would spend a lot of time here. They felt comfortable and safe, some would spend days in a row with us. Those are the times I took full advantage of letting them vent, listening, giving advise, if asked. Now I have some who come over 10 years later, now in their 20's and tell me some little story that I shared with them, and how if affected their life. I don't even remember most of the things they say, but they remembered and somehow it helped them. So the littlest thing out side of the influence of "bad parents" does make a difference to some of these kids.

Lori,

I have a 10yr old cousin (Ryan)...his mom is a piece of work. No matter what the family tries and the school tries to teach him about being sociable and how to act right with people....it doesn't matter. He looks to his mom and even though he knows it's wrong, he follows his mom's lead.

Kids are individuals and are different. Some may learn, some might follow the parents lead. Tough call. (just look at my neighbors lol)

I am not saying to stop the classes at all, just saying I wish some parents these days would stop expecting others to do their jobs