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Topic: The PMS Defense
TexasScoundrel's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:33 PM
In 1970, when Dr. Edgar Berman said women’s hormones during menstruation and menopause could have a detrimental influence on women’s decision making, feminists were outraged. He was soon served up as the quintessential example of medical male chauvinism. But by the 1980s, some feminists were saying that PMS was the reason a woman who deliberately killed a man should go free. In England, the PMS defense freed Christine English after confessed to killing her boyfriend by deliberately ramming him into a utility pole with her car; and after killing a co-worker, Sandie Smith was put on probation – with one condition: she must report monthly for injections of progesterone to control symptoms of PMS. By the 1990s, the PMS defense paved the way for other hormonal defenses.

Sheryl Lynn Massip could place her 6-month-old son under a car, run over him repeatedly, and then, uncertain he was dead, do it again, then claim postpartum depression and be given outpatient medical help. No feminist protested.

I've always been of the opinion that any woman, that isn't insane, can control her emotions and her reactions to others. However the above statement suggests otherwise. If a woman can clam PMS as a defense for murder I have to question voting for any woman in an election.

newarkjw's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:37 PM



I've always been of the opinion that any woman, that isn't insane, can control her emotions and her reactions to others.



You actually have met one of these?.......smokin

centered's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:42 PM

In 1970, when Dr. Edgar Berman said women’s hormones during menstruation and menopause could have a detrimental influence on women’s decision making, feminists were outraged. He was soon served up as the quintessential example of medical male chauvinism. But by the 1980s, some feminists were saying that PMS was the reason a woman who deliberately killed a man should go free. In England, the PMS defense freed Christine English after confessed to killing her boyfriend by deliberately ramming him into a utility pole with her car; and after killing a co-worker, Sandie Smith was put on probation – with one condition: she must report monthly for injections of progesterone to control symptoms of PMS. By the 1990s, the PMS defense paved the way for other hormonal defenses.

Sheryl Lynn Massip could place her 6-month-old son under a car, run over him repeatedly, and then, uncertain he was dead, do it again, then claim postpartum depression and be given outpatient medical help. No feminist protested.

I've always been of the opinion that any woman, that isn't insane, can control her emotions and her reactions to others. However the above statement suggests otherwise. If a woman can clam PMS as a defense for murder I have to question voting for any woman in an election.


I'm reminded of a quote in the movie, "Summer School" ...

Pam is looking out the window, checking out the waves
and then exclaims she's having "female issues" and
leaves to go surfing.

"Dave" (Chainsaw's friend) mentions something to the effect
of, "man, women have it made ...".

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:43 PM
No, a woman SHOULD not be able to claim insanity for murder..although some symptoms can at times seem as though you are indeed going insane.
It is more severe for some women..it comes down to awareness..as with anything. When you grow to learn and understand your body and the effects , the symptoms, mood swings..all that comes with this very natural function...it becomes easier to seek such remedies as better diet, exercise, meditation, prayer, supplements...
Of course with age comes wisdom..hopefully.
I have known many women who use this as a reason to be a b!tch...
also have know many men who lack the knowledge and are very un understanding and un sympathetic to what the women they say they love is going through.

A little knowledge and caring goes along way....

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:45 PM

In 1970, when Dr. Edgar Berman said women’s hormones during menstruation and menopause could have a detrimental influence on women’s decision making, feminists were outraged. He was soon served up as the quintessential example of medical male chauvinism. But by the 1980s, some feminists were saying that PMS was the reason a woman who deliberately killed a man should go free. In England, the PMS defense freed Christine English after confessed to killing her boyfriend by deliberately ramming him into a utility pole with her car; and after killing a co-worker, Sandie Smith was put on probation – with one condition: she must report monthly for injections of progesterone to control symptoms of PMS. By the 1990s, the PMS defense paved the way for other hormonal defenses.

Sheryl Lynn Massip could place her 6-month-old son under a car, run over him repeatedly, and then, uncertain he was dead, do it again, then claim postpartum depression and be given outpatient medical help. No feminist protested.

I've always been of the opinion that any woman, that isn't insane, can control her emotions and her reactions to others. However the above statement suggests otherwise. If a woman can clam PMS as a defense for murder I have to question voting for any woman in an election.


Well considering that this is not as extensive an explanation as it should have been.

PMS and menopause can be extreme in a small percentage of women. Extreme in that they lose control.

Normal PMS and menopause though will not do this.

Just like after having a baby a small percentage of women experience the "baby blues" so severely they may hurt the baby or themselves or both.

These are all extreme cases and cannot account for most women.

So if you want to be discriminatory based on this misinformation so be it.

I have issues with mentally ill men in power too and you don't always know they are so should I discriminate against all men for the few who suffer these ailments?

motowndowntown's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:47 PM
So wemens get a little cranky every 28 days?

Is this a new scientific discovery?

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:48 PM

So wemens get a little cranky every 28 days?

Is this a new scientific discovery?


they all deny it

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:49 PM


So wemens get a little cranky every 28 days?

Is this a new scientific discovery?


they all deny it


I don't. Problem is I can't use it all the time laugh

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:49 PM

So wemens get a little cranky every 28 days?

Is this a new scientific discovery?


exactly..and a man who loves her could make an effort to understand instead of just calling her a b!tch and telling her to control her emotions..

UM..hello..women are emotional!!! whoa

newarkjw's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:51 PM


So wemens get a little cranky every 28 days?

Is this a new scientific discovery?


exactly..and a man who loves her could make an effort to understand instead of just calling her a b!tch and telling her to control her emotions..

UM..hello..women are emotional!!! whoa


I can handle emotion. It's when they start throwing chit I have a problem....laugh

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:51 PM
why does it take 500 women with PMS to change a light bulb?



IT JUST DOES DAMMIT!!!

skydancingA's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:51 PM
If a woman can clam PMS as a defense for murder I have to question voting for any woman in an election.

Well.
The guy who shot and killed mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk
in San Francisco claimed the "Twinkie Defense."
Too much sugar..he had a Twinkie for lunch that day.
It was enough to get him off.

And you want ME to vote for a man instead???????
Waaaay too specious here.

motowndowntown's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:52 PM
Or separate bedrooms work. Those Victorians had the right idea.

TexasScoundrel's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:52 PM
So, are you suggesting that a woman cannot control her emotions at least a few days a month?

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:53 PM

If a woman can clam PMS as a defense for murder I have to question voting for any woman in an election.

Well.
The guy who shot and killed mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk
in San Francisco claimed the "Twinkie Defense."
Too much sugar..he had a Twinkie for lunch that day.
It was enough to get him off.

And you want ME to vote for a man instead???????
Waaaay too specious here.


Well we all kow..too many twinkles really are VERY bad for you!! laugh

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:53 PM

So, are you suggesting that a woman cannot control her emotions at least a few days a month?


ummmmmmmm...

yes

newarkjw's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:54 PM

Or separate bedrooms work. Those Victorians had the right idea.


Even better seperate houses.......

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:56 PM

So, are you suggesting that a woman cannot control her emotions at least a few days a month?


What I'm suggesting is for some women it is very difficult...
are you suggesting for a few days out of the month a man can't be kind and attentive to one he loves...and attempt to make this few days easier on her..or is it all about how inconvenient it is for him?

motowndowntown's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:57 PM


So, are you suggesting that a woman cannot control her emotions at least a few days a month?


What I'm suggesting is for some women it is very difficult...
are you suggesting for a few days out of the month a man can't be kind and attentive to one he loves...and attempt to make this few days easier on her..or is it all about how inconvenient it is for him?


Or he could just go fishing once a month.

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 02/08/10 04:59 PM



So, are you suggesting that a woman cannot control her emotions at least a few days a month?


What I'm suggesting is for some women it is very difficult...
are you suggesting for a few days out of the month a man can't be kind and attentive to one he loves...and attempt to make this few days easier on her..or is it all about how inconvenient it is for him?


Or he could just go fishing once a month.


That works too...and she may actually appreciate that. :thumbsup:

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