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Edited by
crickstergo
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By CARL CAMPANILE
January 15, 2010 Big Labor got some big love from President Obama and congressional Democrats yesterday after they agreed to exempt union workers from the whopping “Cadillac tax” on high-cost health-care plans until 2018 The sweetheart deal, hammered out behind closed doors, will save union employees at least $60 billion over the years involved, while others won't be as lucky -- they'll have to cough up almost $90 billion. The 40 percent excise tax on what have come to be called "Cadillac" health-care plans would exempt collective-bargaining contracts covering government employees and other union members until Jan. 1, 2018. In another major concession to labor, the value of dental and vision plans would be exempt from the tax even after the deal expires in eight years, negotiators said. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/unions_get_pecial_treatment_in_health_AB053CwqPIJlIxXAm37DOM Americans will REVOLT over this one!!! Union workers pay no tax for eight years and get dental and vision exemption forever. Why are unions and government workers more special than those who aren't? 
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Sounds fair to me! Quit whining!
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Sounds fair to me! Quit whining!
Ha Ha Ha....well it won't to most Americans...you will see!!! |
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Change in this era does not come easily and almost never without compromise.
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Edited by
crickstergo
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Sun 01/17/10 09:55 AM
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Change in this era does not come easily and almost never without compromise. Compromise???....more like corruption ....continues behind close doors for special interest. |
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Edited by
1956deluxe
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Sun 01/17/10 10:03 AM
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A Cadillac plan as outlined means it costs $8,000 a year.
If you divide that by 12, that comes out to $666 a month. Sounds like a good number to me!
The number of the Beast! The Anti-Christ! Woot! In accordance with the Prophesy.
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Union Employees make up 7% of the workforce.
Is it fair to exempt 7% of the population from paying the extra tax?? |
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A Cadillac plan as outlined means it costs $8,000 a year. If you divide that by 12, that comes out to $666 a month. Sounds like a good number to me!
The number of the Beast! The Anti-Christ! Woot! In accordance with the Prophesy.
Go ahead....laugh it off....Change that Democrats can really believe in.... is coming... |
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Union Employees make up 7% of the workforce. Is it fair to exempt 7% of the population from paying the extra tax?? 7% of the workforce is not 7% of the population. |
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Union Employees make up 7% of the workforce. Is it fair to exempt 7% of the population from paying the extra tax?? a resounding "NO" |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... |
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Sounds fair to me! Quit whining!
RIGHT ON .. |
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Union Employees make up 7% of the workforce. Is it fair to exempt 7% of the population from paying the extra tax?? 7% of the workforce is not 7% of the population. Oh gee. Let me rephrase that. Just so that you can " get the idea ". Is it fair to exempt 7% of the work force from paying the extra tax? Sheesh. Talk about nitpicking. People are going to be " punished " because they don't belong to a union. Is that fair?? |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one.. SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation. Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years. Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies. |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation. Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years. Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies. In case anyone would like to reference the material the previous poster stole from it's at: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/14/unions-exemption/ |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation. Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years. Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies. I really didn't have to read any further than your first sentence. How is Bill's situation in the union Johnny's fault? We are not talking about benefits - we are talking about fair and equal tax treatment for all Americans. It is not Johnny's fault that Bill is in the union and must abide by union rules. |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation. Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years. Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies. In case anyone would like to reference the material the previous poster stole from it's at: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/14/unions-exemption/ thank you, although I was copying and pasting and not stealing, I neglected to post the link |
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Mr President....why is Bill special? We have basicaly the same job, the same wages, the same healthcare plans. So the presidents says, Why Johnnie, Bill belongs to a union and you don't. You have to pay for that. Even a child could understand this one..... actually, that is not why BIll is special, Bill has a contract that ties in his healthcare over an EXTENDED time , unlike non union workers who can change coverage often on a yearly or semi yearly basis....here is a better understanding Unlike non-union labor negotiations which can be re-negotiated annually, collective bargaining agreements tie unions down for multiple years. The temporary exemption allows them to get out of the way of a moving train. After all, collective bargaining agreements are not the same as raise negotiations for non-union employees. While the latter operates under the implicit assumption that a certain percentage of compensation is dedicated for health benefits and is exempt from taxation, a union collective bargaining agreement enters into an explicit trade off between taxable and nontaxable compensation. Typically, a union negotiates a certain dollar agreement from the employer for total compensation as well as how that will be divided between wages and benefits. The employer could agree to compensate its workers $30 per hour and the union would decide to allocate $20 to wages and $10 to health care. Or, it may choose to spend $15 on wages and $15 on health care. Whatever the case, the unions weighs the benefits of receiving tax deductible health benefits with the immediacy of higher wages and agrees to abide by the agreement for several years. Without an exemption period, the excise tax would change the rules midstream. Non-union workers with expensive health care benefits could change their compensation package in anticipation of the new tax, but unions with health policies of above $24,000 would pay higher taxes until their contract expires. The temporary exemption still accomplishes the goals of the excise tax - pushing people into lower cost health care plans - but gives unions more time to change their behavior and switch to cheaper policies. In case anyone would like to reference the material the previous poster stole from it's at: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/14/unions-exemption/ thank you, although I was copying and pasting and not stealing, I neglected to post the link You also did not use quotation marks...I think it's obvious the dishonesty here. To keep on topic, Bill pays dues to have represntations to protect him and act in his best interest. I still think this is an acceptable compromise. Bill pays his dues. |
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Wow, didnt realize I was in college again,,,, they were not intentionally left off, I just copied and pasted and hit post before I added the referencing material or the quotes,,,,,
no dishonesty,, obvious or otherwise |
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