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"In his private meetings with Democrats, President Obama's health-care argument has come down to an appeal to make "history". He'd be more candid if he said that if they vote for the current bills many of them soon will be history." Always wonder where all this public information about PRIVATE Meetings comes from. This is no different than any other major issue that comes up. Many of the same threats were probably made to proponents of abolition. Im glad that those politicians didnt let threats get in the way of their decision then and I am hopeful that they wont now. What is with all these slavery references? I am really perplexed. The issue of abolition of slavery and this healthcare debacle dont have a damn thing to do with one another. Explain.. The similarity is in their potential to DRASTICALLY change a system that has been in place for decades and the expectation that some will oppose such change. I don't buy it. You are saying that changing the healthcare system is equal to ending slavery? That is incredible.. not incredible,,both are a change to a system in place for decades,,,differing levels of severity but a change that turns things around for sure similar to how gay rights is compared to civil rights, they are both a fight to see that rights are applied equally, although the severity of the discrimination is much different |
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"In his private meetings with Democrats, President Obama's health-care argument has come down to an appeal to make "history". He'd be more candid if he said that if they vote for the current bills many of them soon will be history." Always wonder where all this public information about PRIVATE Meetings comes from. This is no different than any other major issue that comes up. Many of the same threats were probably made to proponents of abolition. Im glad that those politicians didnt let threats get in the way of their decision then and I am hopeful that they wont now. What is with all these slavery references? I am really perplexed. The issue of abolition of slavery and this healthcare debacle dont have a damn thing to do with one another. Explain.. The similarity is in their potential to DRASTICALLY change a system that has been in place for decades and the expectation that some will oppose such change. I don't buy it. You are saying that changing the healthcare system is equal to ending slavery? That is incredible.. not incredible,,both are a change to a system in place for decades,,,differing levels of severity but a change that turns things around for sure similar to how gay rights is compared to civil rights, they are both a fight to see that rights are applied equally, although the severity of the discrimination is much different There is a huge difference. I suppose the issue for me is that if the roles were reversed and it was republicans pushing for health care using slavery as a comparison, the left wing would be up in arms saying that the 2 have nothing to do with one another. I just hate to see things like the fight to end slavery trivialized to make political points. |
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"In his private meetings with Democrats, President Obama's health-care argument has come down to an appeal to make "history". He'd be more candid if he said that if they vote for the current bills many of them soon will be history." Always wonder where all this public information about PRIVATE Meetings comes from. This is no different than any other major issue that comes up. Many of the same threats were probably made to proponents of abolition. Im glad that those politicians didnt let threats get in the way of their decision then and I am hopeful that they wont now. What is with all these slavery references? I am really perplexed. The issue of abolition of slavery and this healthcare debacle dont have a damn thing to do with one another. Explain.. The similarity is in their potential to DRASTICALLY change a system that has been in place for decades and the expectation that some will oppose such change. I don't buy it. You are saying that changing the healthcare system is equal to ending slavery? That is incredible.. not incredible,,both are a change to a system in place for decades,,,differing levels of severity but a change that turns things around for sure similar to how gay rights is compared to civil rights, they are both a fight to see that rights are applied equally, although the severity of the discrimination is much different There is a huge difference. I suppose the issue for me is that if the roles were reversed and it was republicans pushing for health care using slavery as a comparison, the left wing would be up in arms saying that the 2 have nothing to do with one another. I just hate to see things like the fight to end slavery trivialized to make political points. Trust me, I am not one to trivialize slavery or jim crow. IF the comparison is too sensitive,,,than I can compare it to the opposition to social security or medicare. The point was only that anytime such a huge change is proposed there will always be those who are happy with the status quo fighting to keep it as it is. |
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The Democrat campaigned on local issues and jobs. Seems like a good future! As expected it would be asking too much of a Republican to focus on important issues rather than sensationalizing and creating a controversy out of any attempt to improve America's futures. Oh please... the politicians are screwing over the future of our nation without lube. Our pants are around our ankles... if we do not do something drastic to stop the actions congress is taking right now, there will be no future to enjoy. If they really were about improving our future, it would involve long-lasting relief and stability, not calling three months "saving" a job so they can count it for credit. This is all smoke and mirrors - in the end, we are doomed. EDIT oh, and I love how you are always first to point out that it's all the republicans fault that progress cannot be discussed or made. You democrats are no better. Both sides are stubborn mules and just because you guys have the power, it's the republicans that are being bad and I know, you're an "independent" but if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck... First, the above article is about a local election campaign in Kentucky. Second, I've never hid my goal of weakening or eliminating the Republican Party as the second major political party in America. Third, I'm unaffiliated. I have never voted for a Democrat Presidential candidate in my life until Kerry in 04. Previously I had voted Bush, but after seeing him in action and recognizing his intentional lies earlier than most I began to realize the depth of the premeditated and organized corruption within the whole Republican Party. To me, they are a domestic enemy and a threat to American life and liberty. If you don't think that our liberties are disappearing at an alarming rate, then there is no hope for you. At least with W it was pretty much just the Patriot Act. With this administration, nothing is off limits. he's furthering the bush doctrine and taking on the democratic goals all at once. oh, and votes don't determine your affiliation - your ideals do. And to be honest, i've never heard you argue against a democratic ideal. Bill Clinton isn't a major topic for conversation anymore. LOL The Dems have many issues I disagree with. Heck they all do. But I also know to pick one battle at a time, and which enemy is the biggest threat. As an unaffiliated I don't buy 100% into any Party platform. But the Republicans are organized to resist everything Obama does just for the sake of resisting. They are organized by the needs of lobbyist and not concerned with the people. They are sold out and infiltrated to the very core. It's a shame that everyone cant see how un-American they have become, but most do realize their intentions are not liberty, freedom, or the peoples. Closer to a power hungry, decietful, dictatorship. |
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Republicans have taken a drubbing in a lot of polls, but a new survey by CNN/Opinion Research conducted Dec. 2-3 finds that Americans are split on whether they think the country would be better off if the GOP controlled Congress. Forty percent favored Democratic control compared to 39 percent for the Republicans, well within the poll's 3 point margin of error. Sixteen percent said neither, 3 percent said things would be about the same, and 2 percent expressed no opinion. In a mid-summer poll, the Democrats enjoyed a much greater margin, with 44 percent favoring them in control of Capitol Hill compared to 34 percent for the Republicans. At the beginning of the year, when the new Congress began, the margin favoring the Democrats was 56 percent to 31 percent. Republicans also pulled within the margin of error with the Democrats on who Americans trust more to handle major changes in health care, with 43 percent trusting the Democrats more and 40 percent favoring the Republicans. Sixteen percent said neither. "As the debate over health care continues, the Democrats may have lost the competitive advantage that they enjoyed earlier this year," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Since August, the number who support Democratic control of Congress has fallen farthest in the Northeast and the Pacific Rim -- two regions that have been Democratic strongholds for many years." -CNN The Republican Party is already showing signs of a split. In many local elections across America the new Conservative Party has been taking votes from Republican candidates. |
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"In his private meetings with Democrats, President Obama's health-care argument has come down to an appeal to make "history". He'd be more candid if he said that if they vote for the current bills many of them soon will be history." Always wonder where all this public information about PRIVATE Meetings comes from. This is no different than any other major issue that comes up. Many of the same threats were probably made to proponents of abolition. Im glad that those politicians didnt let threats get in the way of their decision then and I am hopeful that they wont now. Amazing isn't it .When its affects the jewish folk they dig up HILTER even though hes been dead for almost 50 years . gee do you think somethings weak in there arguement . As far as leaks from the goes . Our government is a open door they have no secrets . What is with all these slavery references? I am really perplexed. The issue of abolition of slavery and this healthcare debacle dont have a damn thing to do with one another. Explain.. |
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"In his private meetings with Democrats, President Obama's health-care argument has come down to an appeal to make "history". He'd be more candid if he said that if they vote for the current bills many of them soon will be history." Always wonder where all this public information about PRIVATE Meetings comes from. This is no different than any other major issue that comes up. Many of the same threats were probably made to proponents of abolition. Im glad that those politicians didnt let threats get in the way of their decision then and I am hopeful that they wont now. Amazing isn't it .When its affects the jewish folk they dig up HILTER even though hes been dead for almost 50 years . gee do you think somethings weak in there arguement . As far as leaks from the goes . Our government is a open door they have no secrets . What is with all these slavery references? I am really perplexed. The issue of abolition of slavery and this healthcare debacle dont have a damn thing to do with one another. Explain.. Slavery was a system in place for years that made profit over others misfortune, a system for which those profiting did not want to see a change ,,,similar to healthcare ,, a system in place for many years where some make huge profit from others misfortunes and those making the profits dont want anything to chanage. |
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The Democrat campaigned on local issues and jobs. Seems like a good future! As expected it would be asking too much of a Republican to focus on important issues rather than sensationalizing and creating a controversy out of any attempt to improve America's futures. Oh please... the politicians are screwing over the future of our nation without lube. Our pants are around our ankles... if we do not do something drastic to stop the actions congress is taking right now, there will be no future to enjoy. If they really were about improving our future, it would involve long-lasting relief and stability, not calling three months "saving" a job so they can count it for credit. This is all smoke and mirrors - in the end, we are doomed. EDIT oh, and I love how you are always first to point out that it's all the republicans fault that progress cannot be discussed or made. You democrats are no better. Both sides are stubborn mules and just because you guys have the power, it's the republicans that are being bad and I know, you're an "independent" but if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck... First, the above article is about a local election campaign in Kentucky. Second, I've never hid my goal of weakening or eliminating the Republican Party as the second major political party in America. Third, I'm unaffiliated. I have never voted for a Democrat Presidential candidate in my life until Kerry in 04. Previously I had voted Bush, but after seeing him in action and recognizing his intentional lies earlier than most I began to realize the depth of the premeditated and organized corruption within the whole Republican Party. To me, they are a domestic enemy and a threat to American life and liberty. If you don't think that our liberties are disappearing at an alarming rate, then there is no hope for you. At least with W it was pretty much just the Patriot Act. With this administration, nothing is off limits. he's furthering the bush doctrine and taking on the democratic goals all at once. oh, and votes don't determine your affiliation - your ideals do. And to be honest, i've never heard you argue against a democratic ideal. Bill Clinton isn't a major topic for conversation anymore. LOL The Dems have many issues I disagree with. Heck they all do. But I also know to pick one battle at a time, and which enemy is the biggest threat. As an unaffiliated I don't buy 100% into any Party platform. But the Republicans are organized to resist everything Obama does just for the sake of resisting. They are organized by the needs of lobbyist and not concerned with the people. They are sold out and infiltrated to the very core. It's a shame that everyone cant see how un-American they have become, but most do realize their intentions are not liberty, freedom, or the peoples. Closer to a power hungry, decietful, dictatorship. Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. |
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Democrats
Republicans two sides of the same coin we need both parties. its just more checks and balances they both work to prevent the extremists of either to gain control of the gubmint |
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Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? |
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[quote} Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? At these rates of increase Obama's deficts are gona make Bush's look like pennies on the dollar.... |
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[quote} Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? At these rates of increase Obama's deficts are gona make Bush's look like pennies on the dollar.... It's only been 11 months. 11 of the worst months in 50 years. Give the guy a break. You aren't interested in talking about our problems realistically, your just looking to find anything to try and blame on Obama. Keep crying wolf. All I see are the sheep! Republican Sheep! |
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Edited by
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Sun 12/13/09 10:29 PM
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[quote} Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? At these rates of increase Obama's deficts are gona make Bush's look like pennies on the dollar.... 
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[quote} Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? If it weren't for Bush's economic policies, Obama may not have had to spend like this. Look what he was left with. The largest recession since at least the 80s and an economy in need of CPR. You also seem to forget the FY started in OCT. By the time Obama had even taken office the first line on your graph was well under way! At least 1/3 of the year was already history. Almost 1/2. Like I said before, You aren't really interested in a serious discussion about the problems facing us. You're only interested in trying to blame them all on a President who has been in office for less than a year. A lot of undeserved blame and Zero facilitation to the recovery process. Are you prepared to admit you were wrong when the economy fully recovers, or will you simply proclaim, It's only a Mental Recovery. 
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Are you prepared to eat crow crickster?
11 month's? About the time the economy is showing real recovery. Solid, and sustainable recovery, Obama will be up for reelection. I'll bet he wins by an even larger margin in 2012, and the Republican Party will be National laughing stocks. Weak, ashamed, and ready to fold up house! |
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The whole world will know that the Republican Party had no part in the recovery.
That they had not cooperated one iota! |
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Personally,
I think a lot of Republicans should do 1 of two things. 1.) Start cooperating, or 2.) Go ahead and lay down!
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Edited by
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Mon 12/14/09 03:10 AM
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I remember saying about six months ago that Obama didn't want the Republican contribution or cooperation
that if this worked he could say he did it in spite of em and if it didn't he could blame em for obstructing it a pretty good political gamble on his part, win/win |
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[quote} Republicans wouldn't have to "resist" everything if the dems would stop spending us into oblivion. I think the dems have a new strategy, spend so much that even the republicans would have to drastically raise taxes. LMAO Because we all know they didn't spend us into a hole during the last 8 years. Where the h3ll have you been hiding? Behind denial? At these rates of increase Obama's deficts are gona make Bush's look like pennies on the dollar....
That chart speaks more than any words about the next 3 years....compared to the past 8. |
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Personally, I think a lot of Republicans should do 1 of two things. 1.) Start cooperating, or 2.) Go ahead and lay down!
Don't be one of the liberal democrats, I mean masquerading independents, to be "Still in Denial" that Obama lied his way to the presidency. Lobbyist, earmarks, transparency, ethics, surge, Patriot Act, deficits, and dozens more. 
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